Crazy Snap Captain Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 ABC Article Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The way the Chinese fighter pilots fly, a P-8 will score a kill just like the EP-3 did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The way the Chinese fighter pilots fly, a P-8 will score a kill just like the EP-3 did. If that J-11 ever hit one of the engines on that P-8 from doing some dumb cowboy tricks I would think they both would be lost. If I remember right the EP-3 got some seriousness damage from being hit. Edited August 23, 2014 by achterkirch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The way the Chinese fighter pilots fly, a P-8 will score a kill just like the EP-3 did. The EP-3 got the kill but the Chinese got the EP-3. Not sure I'd consider that a fair trade off. Maybe it's time to start assigning some F-22's or F-15's as escort for our patrol / intel aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The EP-3 got the kill but the Chinese got the EP-3. Not sure I'd consider that a fair trade off. Maybe it's time to start assigning some F-22's or F-15's as escort for our patrol / intel aircraft. I would agree or at least have some in the area if they showed up again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The EP-3 got the kill but the Chinese got the EP-3. Temporarily. The aircraft was "disassembled" (literally cut into pieces) by Lockheed and flown back aboard an An-124. It was later rebuilt and returned to the fleet. This photo of 156511 is dated July 2009: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les / Creative Edge Photo Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) I would agree or at least have some in the area if they showed up again. May not be so wise. At least with the current situation a spy [type] plane is not going to shoot an investigating interceptor, this poses little threat to the fighter jet. But if you bring fighter escorts near by your spy [type] planes then we now have armed fighters vs armed fighters and hot shot jocks in each who may get itchy trigger fingers. Could spell a potential problem up to disaster. On top of that when Russia for one probes near North American air space do you want to know that they have fighter escorts near by too? None of these incidents by all sides seem to violate national air space... At least based on what we are told. It's just all first spying and also diplomacy and politics in the air and makes for probably some good training by all sides and news often idiot clamour or painted as paranoid by MSM. Edited August 23, 2014 by Les / Creative Edge Photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Temporarily. The aircraft was "disassembled" (literally cut into pieces) by Lockheed and flown back aboard an An-124. It was later rebuilt and returned to the fleet. This photo of 156511 is dated July 2009: Is that a kill marking or a reference to the 'shoot down' noted on the port side of the a/c ?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fellow Hobbyist Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Temporarily. The aircraft was "disassembled" (literally cut into pieces) by Lockheed and flown back aboard an An-124. It was later rebuilt and returned to the fleet. This photo of 156511 is dated July 2009: Now that's impressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 If that J-11 ever hit one of the engines on that P-8 from doing some dumb cowboy tricks I would think they both would be lost. If I remember right the EP-3 got some seriousness damage from being hit. Totally agree on P-8 collision point. But I look at that EP-3 collision like I look at that old C-47 that shot down a Zero; Two very sturdy birds that kept on flying even after a major collision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Is that a kill marking or a reference to the 'shoot down' noted on the port side of the a/c Ooohh, I hope not. On the RC-135 thread, we all agreed it was in poor taste that a Russian Su-27 sported a kill mark for colliding with a Norwegian P-3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 On top of that when Russia for one probes near North American air space do you want to know that they have fighter escorts near by too? They already do that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 They already do that. Yup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 But if you bring fighter escorts near by your spy [type] planes then we now have armed fighters vs armed fighters and hot shot jocks in each who may get itchy trigger fingers. Could spell a potential problem up to disaster. On top of that when Russia for one probes near North American air space do you want to know that they have fighter escorts near by too? There are thousands of cases of fighters intercepting/escorting fighters just as they do bombers and recon aircraft, there are also plenty of cases of a mixed groups of both either in formation or very near by. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 But if you bring fighter escorts near by your spy [type] planes then we now have armed fighters vs armed fighters and hot shot jocks in each who may get itchy trigger fingers. Could spell a potential problem up to disaster. On top of that when Russia for one probes near North American air space do you want to know that they have fighter escorts near by too? There are thousands of cases of fighters intercepting/escorting fighters just as they do bombers and recon aircraft, there are also plenty of cases of a mixed groups of both either in formation or very near by. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If I was on one of those planes I would at least want some kind of fighter cover by me or near by just incase some one tries something stupid. It's one thing to do this type of airmanship if a non friendly aircraft penwtrates your airspace but it's another to blatantly do this in international air space Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Temporarily. The aircraft was "disassembled" (literally cut into pieces) by Lockheed and flown back aboard an An-124. It was later rebuilt and returned to the fleet. This photo of 156511 is dated July 2009: Not the whole thing... Inside the NAS Whidbey Island Officer's Club. A lot of cool history there! Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 May not be so wise. At least with the current situation a spy [type] plane is not going to shoot an investigating interceptor, this poses little threat to the fighter jet. Ok smart guy, so what happens the next time when the Su-27 pilot misjudges his barrel role over the patrol plane and has a mid-air? Russian and Chinese pilots both have a history of collisions with these aircraft and it seems that both nations are ratcheting up the games. Coming to within 50' of a P-8 and then doing a barrel role over the aircraft is not a safe maneuver. These guys aren't exactly the Blue Angles, at some point we are going to have a major incident if this stuff continues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 There are thousands of cases of fighters intercepting/escorting fighters just as they do bombers and recon aircraft, there are also plenty of cases of a mixed groups of both either in formation or very near by. How about the hilarious incident with the Iranian F-4Es going after our drone and were surprised by F-22s ?! http://www.military....iran-coast.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I guess it's true when they say "everything old is new again". It's like the Cold War never really ended. Everyone just went into their respective corners for a mouth rinse, drink, and a toweling off only to come back out swinging again. Depressing really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 How about the hilarious incident with the Iranian F-4Es going after our drone and were surprised by F-22s ?! http://www.military....iran-coast.html Exactly, this idea that "oh noez!! if there are armed fighters on both sides the pilots might start shooting" so better to just have one set of armed fighters out there is preposterous. Especially as its already been like this for decades, and in much more tense times to boot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les / Creative Edge Photo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Ok smart guy, so what happens the next time when the Su-27 pilot misjudges his barrel role over the patrol plane and has a mid-air? Russian and Chinese pilots both have a history of collisions with these aircraft and it seems that both nations are ratcheting up the games. Coming to within 50' of a P-8 and then doing a barrel role over the aircraft is not a safe maneuver. These guys aren't exactly the Blue Angles, at some point we are going to have a major incident if this stuff continues. Well ok then, no need to get huffy, no sense discussing such further as all sides apparently do keep fighters near by their respective spy planes and other planes used to test other nations air defences. It's all ok then as long as all sides doing such keep this espionage or other military aircraft probing inside international airspace which looks to be the way it is and has been. 40+ years of Cold War saw this often and we all came through fine. It's all dog and pony shows, posturing, trying to piss in each other's proverbial cornflakes anyways, while the various air crews smile and wave to each other as each take pictures during intercepts. If history says that it has all sides who spy and test air defences via aircraft keeping fighters near by then furthering this discussion is kind of moot. Espionage can be a dangerous game regardless of who is doing it and for what motives. All sides know this, all sides fan the flames of B.S. over it all but I see no white hats here. Puritan nations DO NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ON THIS FLY SPECK OF A PLANET! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Espionage can be a dangerous game regardless of who is doing it and for what motives. All sides know this, all sides fan the flames of B.S. over it all but I see no white hats here. Puritan nations DO NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ON THIS FLY SPECK OF A PLANET! lecture time again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les / Creative Edge Photo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 lecture time again? No lecture, but only revealing the truth. You can freely choose to know it or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony Stark Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) lecture time again? I have no idea what he's prattling on about this time. Edited August 24, 2014 by Tony Stark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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