Niels Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Kursad, Any chance of doing some CAS Vipers? Would be Nice to see some Lizard F-16's again :)/> Edited October 3, 2014 by KursadA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Nirel Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Me too please! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Good idea - I will start looking around for more references. Meanwhile, contact me if you can contribute any reference material so I can get these done quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 web archive of my old webpage: Charcoal Lizard Vipers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Thanks - if only gathering references for every project were this easy. If any one you has the TB sheet, please send me a PM - I have some questions. Unless I hit any snags in getting the details right, I should be able to do this pretty quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vince Maddux Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Do it! I was going to draw it and propose it to Vagabond, I just haven't had a chance to draw it. For what is worth, I know the guy that worked it the shop that painted them. I could get you in touch with him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If any one you has the TB sheet, please send me a PM - I have some questions. PM sent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The original "Charcoal Vipers" were two early production jets, F-16A 78-0008 and F-16B 78-0096, both with HL tails. The Two Bobs sheet covered only -0096, not -0008. The "CAS Vipers" were early Block 25 F-16Cs plus GD's FSD F-16B 75-0752. All wore WA tailcodes during the trials. It is my understanding all the Cs came from Shaw, and I have photo documentation of at least one of the jets (83-1144) in CAS paint with a SW tail - I don't know if this (SW tail) was before or after the CAS trials, I suspect after. The Two Bobs sheet did not include the SW markings, which included the 33 TFS Falcons tail flash, gold(?) text on a blue stripe. The WA CAS scheme had no fin flash markings. After the CAS trials GD continued to use 75-0752 as a demonstrator, still in "Charcoal/CAS" paint but with GD (General Dynamics) on the tail. -0752 now sits down the street from me at Frontiers of Flight Museum, still wearing the CAS paint, but engine-less and and severely faded from the Texas sun. Many years ago Revell released their 1/48 kit (#4517) with markings for -0008, and both Testors/Italeri (#680) and ESCI (#9028) released 1/72 kits with markings for -0096. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 ..I have photo documentation of at least one of the jets (83-1144) in CAS paint with a SW tail - I don't know if this (SW tail) was before or after the CAS trials, I suspect after. The Two Bobs sheet did not include the SW markings, which included the 33 TFS Falcons tail flash, gold(?) text on a blue stripe. That one caught my attention as well; I will try to include markings for it on my sheet if I can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've only ever seen one image of the Shaw jet, as Habu said the only difference between the Nellis "WA" jets was the "SW" code and dark blue fin band with the word Falcons in gold. No Wing/Sqn badges,no Crew Names. It only flew from Shaw for around a month in the Lizard paint,before it was repainted in the standard grey colours Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nev Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Good idea - I will start looking around for more references. Meanwhile, contact me if you can contribute any reference material so I can get these done quickly. Yes, yes, yes and yes again! Euro1 Vipers? I'm all over this :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I assigned the item number CD48056 to this project, and changed the name of the thread - it is now planned to be part of the November releases if I can finish it sometime this weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gary F Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Sounds good! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 Phantastic :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UKPonchoMan Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I assigned the item number CD48056 to this project, and changed the name of the thread - it is now planned to be part of the November releases if I can finish it sometime this weekend. Kursad - I presume you will be doing this in 1/72 as well? HINT!!! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Folks, I am about to finish this sheet. Before I wrap it up, though: Did the GD company demonstrator F-16B 75-0752 ever really fly in the markings that it currently wears at the museum? Or were these applied later when the aircraft was put to display? I am thinking about including these, but it would probably be a waste of time if all this is a museum decoration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 I don't know the answer but I'll do some digging. Meanwhile here is a link to a hi-res image of the tail art. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share Posted October 11, 2014 I think this is only museum decorations, but worth while to include non the less ;) http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/airframe-profile/10/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wright2626 Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 if you have room on the sheet, add it if possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Whether it really flew in these markings or not, adding these was not a big deal and would have added some visual interest to a sheet that is otherwise mostly numbers and letters - so I added markings for 75-0752 as it currently is. I think the sheet includes markings for every F-16 that ever wore the green camouflage scheme: I added markings for 78-008, and fixed several issues that were on previous sheets. Now I need some input on what the blue tail band of the Shaw aircraft looked like at that time period, and we can call this sheet complete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vince Maddux Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Wow, that was fast, I going to jump on this sheet. I'll get started on my F-16C this week! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Nirel Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) Is it me, or is the "HL" on 096 skinnier than normal? http://web.archive.org/web/20071108124712/http://www.habu2.net/vipers/lizard/096-14.jpg Edited October 12, 2014 by Ed Nirel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Nirel Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) double post-oops Edited October 12, 2014 by Ed Nirel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Kursad The fin band on the Shaw jet should look like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 The tail band is dark blue (insignia blue?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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