Hoops Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The PAVE PENNY pylon used on the CAS trials machines was completely different than the HTS pod pylon. They HTS pylon would have to be modified, or you could also build it from scratch. The PAVE PENNY pylon is mounted much higher on the intake, and it triangular in shape, where the HTS pod pylon is more of a parallelogram and mounted much lower. The earlier F-16s didn't have the necessary internal structural support in order to use the targeting pod or HTS pylons, instead only for the smaller, lighter PAVE PENNY mount. There are other later F-16s that have used PAVE PENNY on an HTS pylon (Israelis spring to mind) but they are later block aircraft with the strengthened hardpoints on the intake. Hoops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Looking at some pictures of older F-16s, I came across one which had lizard camouflage and black wheel hubs. Did the CAS Vipers have black wheel hubs instead of white? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just did a quick Google search for F-16 CAS and found photos that show the aircraft with black and white wheel hubs. Steven Brown Scale Model Soup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 If read all of this thread you will see there were two early production F-16s painted in an Euro-1 type scheme referred to as "charcoal lizard". This was just a camo test that proved unpopular at the time, not a close air support (CAS) test. These airframes had black main wheels and HL tailcodes. Later, when USAF was considering doing away with the A-10 (one of many times actually) there were several early F-16Cs (Block 25/32) painted in similar schemes, these were the CAS Vipers. These C models had white main wheels and WA tailcodes. The CAS Viper demonstration also included GD's pre-production (FSD) F-16B that AFAIK still had the early style black main wheels during the CAS trials. Note the nose wheels were white on all charcoal/CAS birds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 So does this mean all examples included in this sheet had white nose wheel and black main wheels? Also, Tamiya includes AIM-9L/M missiles in all their boxes. If we are building the lizard camo Viper, we will need to backdate it to carry AIM-9J. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 7 hours ago, stalal said: So does this mean all examples included in this sheet had white nose wheel and black main wheels? No. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, habu2 said: Later, when USAF was considering doing away with the A-10 (one of many times actually) there were several early F-16Cs (Block 25/32) painted in similar schemes, these were the CAS Vipers. These C models had white main wheels and WA tailcodes. The CAS Viper demonstration also included GD's pre-production (FSD) F-16B that AFAIK still had the early style black main wheels during the CAS trials. Note the nose wheels were white on all charcoal/CAS birds. I don't know where I have the images from, but they contradict the above, stand by: 17082890257_ae78cf9d0c_o by J Hooper, on Flickr 83-1131 by J Hooper, on Flickr 752-06 by J Hooper, on Flickr Edited July 25, 2017 by Hoops Update link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Yes!! I think I saw these images but could not find them. This is what I meant. All the wheels in those CAS Vipers were either black or all of them were white. Depending on registration number, we must check our references. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Here's a "Charcoal Lizard" F-16 with mixed color wheels. Linkage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) On 7/25/2017 at 5:58 PM, Hoops said: I don't know where I have the images from, but they contradict the above, stand by: Had not seen those pics, thanks. Since photo documentation shows all black, all white, or mixed, paint them however you want. Edited July 27, 2017 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 I think it's time this one got reprinted - you can expect it in the next couple of months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Walker Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Oh excellent!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Arrowhead Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Great news! I came across these photos of the so-called Falcon Eye FLIR reportedly tested on a CAS F-16B. Not difficult to build from scratch, but no clue on which airframe S/N it was tested on. Any intel on that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Background on this aircraft. LINKAGE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Arrowhead Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 Thanks! So 75-0752 (second FSD F-16B) with ACES II and F-16D cockpit mod, GD tail code. Was it before the Falcon tail art was applied? Perhaps still carrying the Pave Penny, not sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Walker Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 (edited) The falcon tail art was added when it was put on display in the museum. I've not seen any evidence it ever "served" with that tail art Edited October 31, 2024 by Matt Walker Spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted October 31, 2024 Share Posted October 31, 2024 (edited) I did an extensive webpage covering -752 and the CAS birds (and 78-0008) 20+ years ago, it was on wayback machine until a couple of months ago when they had problems, now most of the links are broken. :( edit - try this link http://web.archive.org/web/20080104124341fw_/http://www.habu2.net/vipers/lizard/index.html (warning references baby seals...) . Edited October 31, 2024 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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hemspilot Posted November 1, 2024 Share Posted November 1, 2024 23 hours ago, KursadA said: I think it's time this one got reprinted - you can expect it in the next couple of months. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, may I humbly ask for 1/72 as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted November 1, 2024 Author Share Posted November 1, 2024 (edited) Interesting how the pilots helmet look just like the current day JHMCS ? Fun fact: Just checked up on what happened to the F-16C's that took part in the CAS testing, and 83-1132 is currently still flying but with the Indonesian Air Force as TS-1626, 39 years after first service introduction.... Edited November 1, 2024 by Niels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Arrowhead Posted November 1, 2024 Share Posted November 1, 2024 14 hours ago, habu2 said: I did an extensive webpage covering -752 and the CAS birds (and 78-0008) 20+ years ago, it was on wayback machine until a couple of months ago when they had problems, now most of the links are broken. :( edit - try this link http://web.archive.org/web/20080104124341fw_/http://www.habu2.net/vipers/lizard/index.html (warning references baby seals...) . Great, many thanks ! Do you happen to have pictures of the Martin Marietta Pathfinder FLIR pod? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 1, 2024 Share Posted November 1, 2024 Search on AN/AAQ-20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted November 2, 2024 Share Posted November 2, 2024 On 10/30/2024 at 11:18 PM, KursadA said: I think it's time this one got reprinted - you can expect it in the next couple of months. Awesome! I did finish my CAS F-16 but I think I can do a better job now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 On 10/30/2024 at 10:18 PM, KursadA said: I think it's time this one got reprinted - you can expect it in the next couple of months. Will there be any differences from the original release and the reprint ? Adding my vote for / interest in a 1/72 reprint as well. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 My policy is to never modify a reprinted sheet unless there is a glaring error or a design issue in it. If there is something that you think that should be changed, please send me an email and let me know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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