will there ever be new versions or corrected KH MiG 25

[DarkKnight]

just wondering? where are the aftermarket corrections or new corrected versions, odds are as soon as I start mine they all come out

[Petarvu]

I wondered the same, aftermarket companies didn't make that much sets compared to MiG-23 for example.

We hawe PE untake plugs from EDUARD and exterior /interior .But no Brasin, no burner cans from Aires, or cockpit or wheel wells, no details from quickboost, wheels are supposed to be released by Armory.

There are those expencive 3d intake trunks and exhausts, I dont know the company name, but...

And I wonder about twoo seater, recon and SEAD prototype kits we saw when P/PD was being released, I hope KH would produce them no matter what..

I have low hopes they will revise revised P kit...

P

[Floggerman]

I've the same questions...

Armory wheels are available (nice!),the cans from click2detail (https://www.click2detail.com/store/p15/MiG-25_Detailed_Exhausts_%28Short_Type%29.html) looks nice, but the price is ridiculous.

[mrvark]

I asked Stanislav Riegr (Aires) about this at Nats and he said the kit is so bad that they didn't have any plans for it aside from possibly a cockpit (which, ironically, a guy from our local club said wasn't too bad).

I asked Click2Detail about which kit their exhaust nozzles were designed for, but they claimed not to know, but I suspect they're based on the old Revell kit. That's not to say they won't work; I don't know that one way or the other.

I'm hoping that Russian company (whose name escapes me at the moment) that did all the Fencer corrections for the Trumpeter kit will take up the challenge. But, based on the reviews I've read and my friend's experience, it will be a pretty expensive proposition.

[B.Sin]

Why does everybody hate this model. It doesn't look so bad to me, at least what I've seen on the Internet.Aires shouldn't complain, most of that stuff doesn't fit anyway.If it is that bad, maybe Kitty Hawk should cut back on their release's and use those resources to go back and retool.

Brad

[Floggerman]

I'm hoping that Russian company (whose name escapes me at the moment) that did all the Fencer corrections for the Trumpeter kit will take up the challenge.

Komplekt Zip

[dsmith]

Jim is right, the click2detail parts are for the Revell kit, but they won't fit it without major reworking. I have a set, and they are pretty nice, but I don't have a KH kit to see if they fit.

Cheers,

-Doug

[Petarvu]

Why does everybody hate this model. It doesn't look so bad to me, at least what I've seen on the Internet.Aires shouldn't complain, most of that stuff doesn't fit anyway.If it is that bad, maybe Kitty Hawk should cut back on their release's and use those resources to go back and retool.

Brad

Glen?

[Jennings]

Why does everybody hate this model. It doesn't look so bad to me

Nothing at all in any way personal Brad... But the KH Foxbat is a horrendous kit. It is a mish-mash of parts from different Foxbat variants, and has a lot of very serious inaccuracies that have been extensively discussed in other threads.

Is anyone going to mistake it for a P-51, no. But if that's the only criterion for acceptable accuracy, you're not going to get an accurate model.

[B.Sin]

It's too bad that they don't go back and retool, if this is the case. GWH did, on

more then one of there kit's.

[11bee]

It's too bad that they don't go back and retool, if this is the case. GWH did, on

more then one of there kit's.

I think that this would be a massive & costly undertaking. Not sure if KH would want to go this route, especially if the kit is already selling well.

Keep in mind, the vast majority of modelers don't follow these issues online and probably don't even care if it's botched or not. To the masses, it looks like a MiG-25 and that is sufficient to trigger a purchase.

The percentage of people who care about the issues associated with this kit is very, very small.

Edited November 12, 2014 by 11bee

[jenshb]

Apparently KH did promise that the kit would be retooled after the CAD renderings were first shown and a lot of people were identifying errors. Eventually, the amount of retooling was fairly limited and didn't cure all issues. The kit that is in the shops *is* the retooled kit, but it still falls far short of expectations considering the price tag which is not far off the GWH Eagle.

Jens

[Laurent]

Keep in mind, the vast majority of modelers don't follow these issues online and probably don't even care if it's botched or not. To the masses, it looks like a MiG-25 and that is sufficient to trigger a purchase.

I'm not completely sure about that. We're not talking about a Revell, Airfix, Hasegawa or Tamiya kit. I would think that KH kits are usually bought by "serious" modellers.

[beingthehero]

There was a lot of hype when the kit was announced, and that led to bitter feelings afterwards when it was revealed that it wasn't all that great. The price tag definitely did not help given the quality. GWH MiG-29 it ain't. Plus there were the issues with warped parts.

[Jennings]

The fact that X% of people out there don't know it's crap is utterly and completely irrelevant to the fact that it *is* crap. Most people don't care if I push an IV medication too fast, but to some people it makes a huge difference. The fact that most people don't care doesn't mean I shouldn't do things right, now does it?

[dehowie]

Here we go again

People who don't know bashing a kit which has been bashed by people who do know with agendas.

Great stuff Jennings.

The original posts here on the 25 started off quite intelligently then when people with Ego's far bigger than most who had offered assistance and where not listened to by Kittyhawk unleashed a tirade of bull.... I have not seen in years.

Posts with photos showing inaccurate curves which you could not identify a problem from with a bloody electron microscope.

Seriously any level headed person with no allegiance one way or another could clearly see a vengeance campaign being run.

So in short a series of small mistakes some fixable some not plus the burner cans got turned into the "biggest pos in history" routine.

Now people just weigh in like above piling on to the very successful vengeance campaign because a couple of very knowledgable guys can't take no for an answer.

These guys lost a lot of respect from the non biased members of the modelling community for outright posts that where so blatantly anti Kittyhawk as to make the majority of information they presented as tainted and blatantly biased.

Very disappointing for all concerned.

The famous curved lower fuselage images where the fuse parts are compared to a lower fuse pic and we where told about how inaccurate it's curvature was was the highlight.

Anyone offering criticism of the posts ignored or dismissed as a non believer.

Very similar to the Kings new clothes to say the least except for those with an axe to grind pushing there agenda and hew if you could not see the error you where at fault.

What started as a very informative and helpful post which highlighted minor problems easily fixed descended into a anti Kittyhawk propaganda session of staggering proportions far outweighing it's real problems making Mt Everest from a Molehill at every turn.

Revel should thank them they are not He-219..109 or Spitfire fans as it would still be going.

Personally hope to see an RB version with big cranked nose..but I doubt we will be lucky to see it after the very successful anti Kittyhawk campaign run so we'll by a few axe men.

Fair criticism is one thing but that Mig-25 campaign was a disgrace of bias and agenda.

Edited November 13, 2014 by dehowie

[Jennings]

.... in your opinion. It's still a piece of crap kit. Sorry, but that's just a fact. It's very poorly researched and very poorly executed.

But of course, if you like it, by all means buy it, fondle it, build it, and have fun.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Jennings

[Rex]

Darren, you seem to leap to the defense of every kit that gets criticized, though.

Isn't it supposed to be a bit of a "given" that the people that bother to register in online discussions are the more serious modelers? The truly casual modelers either don't care what we talk about, or that we talk about model toolings at all,,,,,,,or they don't even know it is being done.

Sorry, I am not being contrary just to be so,,,,,,,but, ever since I was silenced when trying to critique that botched nose and rudder on the Airfix Skyhawk, I am just a bit leery of the "other agenda" that people seem to have. That is the agenda that says "every kit is as good as we can get".

For the record, when two parts are tooled up for the same aircraft, in the same scale, and they aren't the same size or shape,,,,,then one of them is wrong. It doesn't matter if one was done in 1958, and the other in 2013,,,if they are different, then one is wrong.

It should be okay to say that,,,,,or the Emperor really is wearing very nice clothes, after all.

(edited: Darren, I didn't mean "you" as in "you dirty rat", I meant the group that does that "auto defending" or at least gives that impression each time a kit gets some errors pointed out,,,,,,the way I typed it looks like I am throwing a dart at you,,,I am sorry if I gave that impression)

Edited November 13, 2014 by Rex

[metroman]

Nevermind

Edited November 13, 2014 by metroman

[mingwin]

most (if not absolutely all) of the people that where pointing inaccuracy of the kit versus the real thing where right.

and also, it have absolutely nothing to do with a so called "anti-KH" agenda or revenge... only deception to see one of the most iconic jet being pooch that bad as a plastic model kit...

i'll certainly buy it one day, even with all its flaws and inaccuracy... i'll certainly buy other KH kits also, one day... (like their Mirage F1) ...but mostly because they are better than the old Revell and ESCI...

i'll try to get the MiG-25, when i'll be able to get it at a more reasonable price for what i'll get... (more 50$ than the 70$+ask for)

but i'll also get any correction sets that will be done till then... i really hope that KomplektZip will do what they have done for the trumpeter's Su-24

and about Aires not being tempted to waste their time doing detail sets for that kit, it's understandable, since most people that care enough to spend money on resin bits to improve plastic kits, care about kits accuracy...

[MoFo]

Aftermarket stuff? There are a few items coming from a known aftermarket manufacturer. There have been a number of delays, with more pressing projects and a lack of specific references, but they *are* progressing. You probably won't see a release until the new year at this point - maybe February, maybe March.

On the plus side, it's not the only Russian jet being tackled.

[Laurent]

Oh drat... no more popcorn in the bowl... g'bye then :)

[foxmulder_ms]

Darren, you seem to leap to the defense of every kit that gets criticized, though.

Isn't it supposed to be a bit of a "given" that the people that bother to register in online discussions are the more serious modelers? The truly casual modelers either don't care what we talk about, or that we talk about model toolings at all,,,,,,,or they don't even know it is being done.

Sorry, I am not being contrary just to be so,,,,,,,but, ever since I was silenced when trying to critique that botched nose and rudder on the Airfix Skyhawk, I am just a bit leery of the "other agenda" that people seem to have. That is the agenda that says "every kit is as good as we can get".

For the record, when two parts are tooled up for the same aircraft, in the same scale, and they aren't the same size or shape,,,,,then one of them is wrong. It doesn't matter if one was done in 1958, and the other in 2013,,,if they are different, then one is wrong.

It should be okay to say that,,,,,or the Emperor really is wearing very nice clothes, after all.

(edited: Darren, I didn't mean "you" as in "you dirty rat", I meant the group that does that "auto defending" or at least gives that impression each time a kit gets some errors pointed out,,,,,,the way I typed it looks like I am throwing a dart at you,,,I am sorry if I gave that impression)

I guess, I am one of that "auto defending" community. However, I become one as a reaction! There is an "auto attack" group, too. One of the reasons why I read this forum is to find out the errors on the kits I am interested and if there are more than one options of a certain subject, trying to figure out which one I like more.

But, frankly, the stuff I read here regarding Kittyhawk Mig-25, HB F-23 and GWH F-15 were blatant attacks and made me react to them. Now, there is constructive criticism which should be pointing out errors with references and suggesting fixes, and there is kit bashing... which is saying "this kit is the worst thing happened to humanity, never will buy this kit or any other kit from this company! They ruined it!" etc... I see this as really a bad thing for the community in the long run. Because I would love to see more of these rare birds. For example, as I wrote somewhere before, I really really hope F-23 has been selling well simply because it may let the company to consider similar subjects like Su-47 or Mig 1.44 or YF-22 etc. But if this bashing is causing people not to buy them, it is a shame.

[Rex]

Fox, I think that we as a group are sort of responsible for the Auto Defend and the Auto Attack groups.

Since a guy that has never seen a real F-100 in person has just as much right to type about whether someone's Hun molding is right or not, as someone that at least looked at one in a museum or worked on them for half his Air Force career, we simply don't usually know "who is talking"

We tend to go along with the "cred" thing,,,,, as in we believe that people that built a lot of models and posted them are the ones to believe,,,,,,even though building 40 models of a Mustang doesn't make a person a Spitfire expert.

In the back and forth, we forget that "it looks like a Skyhawk to me" might be true, but, if it is labeled as an A-4F kit, it might look like an A-4F to some, but, if it looks like an A-4M to people that actually touched an A-4M, then it has shape issues. That kit is supposed to look like an A-4F to everyone that sees it, not an A-4F to some, an A-4C to others, and an A-4M to still other folks.

Most of the time, the "looks like a _________ to me" people are exactly right, it does not look like a Mustang when it is supposed to be a Hellcat,,,,,,but, it IS supposed to really look like a Hellcat if it is advertised as a "New Tooling" "made with CAD and Slide Mold Technology" to replace all of the "lesser Hellcat models that came before it"

Telling other people that it looks like a Wildcat instead, if it misses some large points in the shape, is supposed to be what we are doing on these boards,,,,not just acting as "advertisement repeaters" for every kit that comes out.

The negative stuff gets all the attention, but, that is because there is seldom any disagreement (or hurt feelings) when a product comes out and is really great, and is just as advertised, or in some cases, even better than expected.

As an example,,,,,look at how few entries there are since the PDF was posted in the Corsair decal thread, compared to how many a simple comparison between the HB and Tam kits will receive. (5 or 6 people say "Yayyy" and the decal thread dies off, the HB vs Tam deal will still be argued by our great grandchildren if they find both in our attics after we are gone)

[Laurent]

We tend to go along with the "cred" thing,,,,, as in we believe that people that built a lot of models and posted them are the ones to believe,,,,,,even though building 40 models of a Mustang doesn't make a person a Spitfire expert.

It makes him a Mustang kit expert but not a Mustang expert I'd say.

Most of the time, the "looks like a _________ to me" people are exactly right, it does not look like a Mustang when it is supposed to be a Hellcat,,,,,,but, it IS supposed to really look like a Hellcat if it is advertised as a "New Tooling" "made with CAD and Slide Mold Technology" to replace all of the "lesser Hellcat models that came before it"

For me the model and the kit are two almost independent concepts. You can have a perfectly engineered kit (great parts fit, crisp details) that doesn't turn out in an accurate model. However, without slide molds, it isn't possible to do a jet canopy with an omega cross-section.