Aigore Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 nice job on the RAT but I have a question: you wrote the Tarangus RAT door is somehow smaller than it should be, since you didn't cut it but destroyed it while opening it, why didn't you make it wider, to the correct size? Because of the panellines really, I´d have to adjust the panellines all the way forward from the RAT hatch. Easier to adjust to a smaller space then start calculating the panellines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think the cockpit is a very neutral light grey, Janne. I don´t think it has any blue or other tone in it. The seat was, as you should have noticed at Aeroseum, a flat, anodized aluminium, like all other SAAB seats. I don´t know the best way to replicate this, Alclad aluminium seems too metallic. Maybe aluminium mixed with gray? The same anodized aluminium should also be used on the cockpit rear wall and its fixtures. Nice work on the RAT, Janne. I think I´ll go scratch all the way however.. seems easier to chop up some cylinders and a small instrument panel in PC than chopping up the resin. Don´t forget the tubing for fire extinguishing of the starter engine. :-) Nice to see that there is a fair amount of space available anyway, for the RAT compartment. When you play with the aircraft later, Janne, be sure not to fly it faster than 1160 km/h, because faster than that, and the blades might come of. We had a discussion about the RAT in the Viggen facebook group this weekend, and this is what I learned (skip if this bores the hell out of you :-) ) The RAT extended automatically if the aboard systems noticed a generator failure, or on nose wheel compression on landing. It is extended using the number 2 hydraulic system. The RAT was effective from about 270-290 km/h and up, with a recommended top speed of 1160 km/h. Higher speeds should only be used in an emergency since the blades might come off. It had to be extended on the ground since the RAT compartment contains maintenance points for the hydraulic systems and, as mentioned above, a tube that led to the starter engine compartment, in which you emptied a fire extinguisher in case of fire. The fire warning lights for the starter was also mounted in this compartment. Since the RAT is extended by hydraulics, it had to be opened when the aircraft was still running, hence the automatic extention on nosewheel compression. The RAT was automatically retracted along with the landing gears after start. It could also be manually extended using a switch in the cockpit. As for the images and explanations about the differences between the various versions.. you guys do what you like, I just provide the information because I great interest in the subject. When I will build my Viggen I´ll be sure to use the correct tub (unless is a beautiful resin pit available) and do some minor adjustments, like making the radar grip a bit larger perhaps. Also I would correct the HUD. The JA uses a two-glass HUD while the AJ uses an older single glass variant. I would also spend some time on the area behind the seat, just as Janne did. As for Swedish contest rules, I've been a judge at the major Swedish events for the last 13 years, and in no contest the accuracy is judged. An AJ cockpit in a JA 37 is not a problem. What we look at is the level of detail, and that the level is consistent. A highly detailed cockpit but lower level of detail elsewhere would not win over a model with fair level of detail all around. Great input Erik :D With my perfect color vision I see that the grey in the tub pulls towards the blue end of the spectra, and FS36270 does pull towards blue as well :D As for the seat...well anodised aluminium...is just grey, suppose you could flat coat the heck out of a alclad aluminium coat....but then you end up with a light grey anyways :P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paolo Maglio Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Because of the panellines really, I´d have to adjust the panellines all the way forward from the RAT hatch. Easier to adjust to a smaller space then start calculating the panellines. that is clear! Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Janne, I've been doing a little experimenting and research on Alcad2 finishes. If you're looking for a less of a metallic finish for the ejection seat, I would suggest a smooth neutral primer then their flat Dull Aluminum. Seal with a clear neutral sealer like Testors Metalizer, followed by a darkish Brown wash to highlight the details. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Troll Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Janne, I understand that there are size differences between the Esci/Airfix and Tarangus kits. Have you checked with references? Jorgen "Troll" Toll Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Janne, I understand that there are size differences between the Esci/Airfix and Tarangus kits. Have you checked with references? Jorgen "Troll" Toll :trolls:/> Yep, I took measurement at Aerosum and chevked against the official specs. So far the Tarangus has more right than wrong, the main wingspan is dead on as is the length of the canard flaps. I haven't checked the cockpit numbers nor the total length yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I haven't checked the cockpit numbers nor the total length yet. I think the number of cockpits is spot on for a JA 37, and about half the number required for an Sk 37. :-P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think the number of cockpits is spot on for a JA 37, and about half the number required for an Sk 37. :-P wisea$$ :P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Troll Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 :-D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Der Grüne Punkt Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wow, this is unexpected, I had an eye on this one for a while, then I seen some pictures and drawings and I was less that impressed, to my eye looked simplistic but I remember thinking "Well... at least I won't have to scribe it' and then I saw this kit passed the USD90 make and I thought it' madness, I know this is a small brand an so on, but it's way too expensive and not good enough, a real shame, a lost opportunity. Anyway I always enjoy to see you in action, as we say here 'you obtain oil from the stones', good work mate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The Canard flaps are wrong.... Nothing that can't be put right....with a fill and re scribe... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 We actually measured the canard flap, from trailing edge to hinge line, inside and outside. Can´t remember the figures, but they are documented. I´ll post the numbers when I get back to my own computer later today, unless Janne is quicker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Wow, this is unexpected, I had an eye on this one for a while, then I seen some pictures and drawings and I was less that impressed, to my eye looked simplistic but I remember thinking "Well... at least I won't have to scribe it' and then I saw this kit passed the USD90 make and I thought it' madness, I know this is a small brand an so on, but it's way too expensive and not good enough, a real shame, a lost opportunity. Anyway I always enjoy to see you in action, as we say here 'you obtain oil from the stones', good work mate! I can´t but agree....... it ain´t a $90 model. Thanx, I´ll entrtain as much as possible :D The Canard flaps are wrong.... Nothing that can't be put right....with a fill and re scribe... Yep, already cut them in my first update.... We actually measured the canard flap, from trailing edge to hinge line, inside and outside. Can´t remember the figures, but they are documented. I´ll post the numbers when I get back to my own computer later today, unless Janne is quicker. I looked at the meassurement and the trailing edge is pretty much spot on... If you want to you can put in all the meassurement pics... we meassured the trailing edge and the innermost width of the canard flaps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Time for a small update :D Finished the RAT innards.... And painted it in flat aluminium...there will be some detail painting too :D The bang seat... The IP... And the pit parts clear coated. Not much of an update but with my GF sick and me taking care of the trolls this is all you get :P Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Janne, Something is always better then nothing. Nicely done Seat. Are those home made seatbelts and shoulder harnesses? They look quite nice as they have a realistic "flow" to them. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 Janne, Something is always better then nothing. Nicely done Seat. Are those home made seatbelts and shoulder harnesses? They look quite nice as they have a realistic "flow" to them. Joel Thanx mate :D Nope they are molded into the Neomega seat. The pace is down to a crawl at the moment but that´s just to be expected around xmas....so much to do, having a two week leave coming up tho ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Janne, Being semi retired, I have 3 days per week to model as long as I keep up on my chores and jobs around the house, which of course I'm way behind in. Little to no family left, so the holidays aren't the massive get togethers they were years ago. Spring to summer to fall will be less modeling then years past, and more fishing this coming year, as I really need to get out of the house and do something physical that I enjoy. Besides, I'm spending more time modeling these days then actually working. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 Janne, Being semi retired, I have 3 days per week to model as long as I keep up on my chores and jobs around the house, which of course I'm way behind in. Little to no family left, so the holidays aren't the massive get togethers they were years ago. Spring to summer to fall will be less modeling then years past, and more fishing this coming year, as I really need to get out of the house and do something physical that I enjoy. Besides, I'm spending more time modeling these days then actually working. Joel I want to retire too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I want to retire too! Janne, Retiring is the fun part. Getting older by the day isn't so much fun. Your day starts off by looking into the bathroom mirror and wondering who is that old guy. Then it's all down hill from there. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 Janne, Retiring is the fun part. Getting older by the day isn't so much fun. Your day starts off by looking into the bathroom mirror and wondering who is that old guy. Then it's all down hill from there. Joel Not afraid of growing old :) as long as I can keep my wits, sight and coordination... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Not afraid of growing old :)/>/>/> as long as I can keep my wits, sight and coordination... Janne, See, that the thing, there are no guarantees. Right now I'm about as sharp as I've been most of my life. Coordination not so much, but no shaking yet ( the kiss of death for modeling). I've been battling Retina Edema for nearly 5 years. I'm legally blind in the left eye at this point (try modeling with one eye closed), the right eye has the disease off to the far right so it hasn't effected my sight as yet. I've had 4 laser surgeries to contain the disease. So far so good. Of course my once almost black hair is now white, and the excess weight just came on little by little. Fought the good fight more then a year ago, and lost 65 lbs. Down to 185 lb and have stayed there. Started with diet and walking to the end of the driveway and back, ended with being able to do 2 1/2 miles 5 days per week. Enjoy your youth. Unfortunately, it doesn't last forever :crying2:/>/>/> Joel Edited December 16, 2014 by Joel_W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
denstore Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Problem with age is that when you start feeling it, much is too late to change. Feeling old isn't so much about getting grey hair or losing your strength. It's about starting to realize that so much that you had plans for, just won't happen, not even the small stuff. :( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It's about starting to realize that so much that you had plans for, just won't happen, not even the small stuff. :(/> By "small stuff" you don´t mean the 1/350 battleships in your stash I presume.. :-P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
denstore Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) By "small stuff" you don´t mean the 1/350 battleships in your stash I presume.. :-P Kits are definitly among the small stuff. The 200+ kits doesn't worry me that much. When I look at them, it is with a mixed feeling of pleasure and insanity. I have plans for every one of them, and still I know that I won't finish even 10% of them. ;)/> The only kits I have real anxiety about are the Fine Moulds Star Wars kits. Can't build them, since I will loose a potential fortune doing so. Can't sell them, because I really would like to build them.... Edited December 16, 2014 by denstore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Kits are definitly among the small stuff. The 200+ kits doesn't worry me that much. When I look at them, it is with a mixed feeling of pleasure and insanity. I have plans for every one of them, and still I know that I won't finish even 10% of them. ;)/>/> The only kits I have real anxiety about are the Fine Moulds Star Wars kits. Can't build them, since I will loose a potential fortune doing so. Can't sell them, because I really would like to build them.... Sigh... they will hold a much higher personal value if you build them...won't be making fortunes worth while by selling the fm gems! You won't regret building them, I promise :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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