galileo1 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Just like to know which one I should go for in terms of quality and accuracy. I'd like to build a few in the near future and I'd like to get the best possible kit if I can. Thanks! Rob Edited February 28, 2015 by galileo1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ESzczesniak Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I can't speak for the Hasegawa kit personally, but I ended up picking the GWH. I'm just getting started building it, but detail so far is excellent. Fit to date is good, but I have made it on to many of the major assemblies, so it's hard to say for sure so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) IIRC the accurate rating, until recently, went something like this (best to worst): Hasegawa Monogram Tamiya Academy Fujimi Not sure where Great Wall's kit fits in, but it should certainly be at or near the top. That being said, I have a hard time seeing the shape issues that more knowledgeable guys see on the Academy kit and enjoyed the build. Edited February 28, 2015 by DonSS3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 By far and large the best F-15 in 1/48 is the: HASEGAWA All the other kits, including the Great Wall Hobbies, are worst. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 By far and large the best F-15 in 1/48 is the: HASEGAWA All the other kits, including the Great Wall Hobbies, are worst. Oh no ! Not again ... by the way you missed to add your long list of faults like a missing pilot, which makes that kit nearly unbuildable ! :P Sorry to say so, but You really sound like a Hasegawa-salesman and not even a fair one. Not that I want to dismiss the Hasegawa kit but Your arguments re in most cases lame especially while You ignore he weak-points of Your beloved Hasegawa-kit ... Anyway, Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galileo1 Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Oh no ! Not again ... by the way you missed to add your long list of faults like a missing pilot, which makes that kit nearly unbuildable ! :P/> Sorry to say so, but You really sound like a Hasegawa-salesman and not even a fair one. Not that I want to dismiss the Hasegawa kit but Your arguments re in most cases lame especially while You ignore he weak-points of Your beloved Hasegawa-kit ... Anyway, Deino So, in your opinion, the GWH Eagle in the better kit? Just trying to narrow it down. Thanks! Rob Edited February 28, 2015 by galileo1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Janissary Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 GWH does not have a pilot so beware :) With all the corrections done to the GWH F-15B/D kit, (C came out later and includes the corrections), I would go with GWH if I were to build one. Some relevant links: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=268241&st=0 http://www.themodellingnews.com/2014/06/gary-looks-at-just-what-has-changed-in.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ESzczesniak Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 While not having the Hasegawa F-15C to compare, I must say I am more and more impressed with the GWH kit. I sat down for my 3rd session with the GWH kit (about 3-5 hours so far) and the fit and detail are continuing to impress me. While I'll never say never, I'd find it hard to believe that the 1980's Hasegawa kit can beat this! With that said, I'll be the first to say I'm not a rivet/shape counter and can comment very little on how accurate the shape is on this kit. It seems to look like an F-15C at least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) There is no contest: Great Wall offering is the better one. Together with their Mig-29 models, they are now the best in the modelling world. Edited February 28, 2015 by foxmulder_ms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 So, in your opinion, the GWH Eagle in the better kit? Just trying to narrow it down. Thanks! Rob To admit I don' have the GWH kit at hand and build the Hasegawa kit only once some years ago ... but especially after modifying the molds - a decision that simply gives honor to the guys at GWH to listen to their customers - and by simply looking at the details some the Hasegawa kit not even "mentions" I can only say it is indeed no competition, it is simply the GWH kit. That does not denies that it too has still a few issues but to tell that kit "unbuildable" like gala always tries to demonstrate is simply not fair, nor objective ... Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 By far and large the best F-15 in 1/48 is the: HASEGAWA All the other kits, including the Great Wall Hobbies, are worst. Please justify your position, taking into account the latest edition of the GWH kit. A statement of opinion without any justification isn't very helpful. Unless, of course, your intention is to simply be a troll and not contribute anything meaningful to this discussion. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Academy's F-15E and F-15K are outstanding kits. Incredibly detailed, accurate, well engineered, and with Cartograph decals. Affordable and up to date as well, not like some 25-year-old tooling from Hasegawa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harrier/Viper Fan Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I like a GWH F-15C but the £76 price tag is a little crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 There is no contest: Great Wall offering is the better one. Together with their Mig-29 models, they are now the best in the modelling world. I tend to agree. Not to take this OT but anyone know what's next for these guys? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I hope something Russian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) I like a GWH F-15C but the £76 price tag is a little crazy. £50.46 air shipping inc. on Lucky Model. I hope something Russian. Sure. But a lil' 1/144 Victor K2 too. Edited March 1, 2015 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 There is no contest: Great Wall offering is the better one. Together with their Mig-29 models, they are now the best in the modelling world. I won't argue on the MiG-29 but I have to disagree on the F-15 after building the original D. The open access panels on the nose spoil what is otherwise a great kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mawz Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Academy's F-15E and F-15K are outstanding kits. Incredibly detailed, accurate, well engineered, and with Cartograph decals. Affordable and up to date as well, not like some 25-year-old tooling from Hasegawa. Well detailed, well engineered and great decals. Accurate, not so much. Major shape issues at the engines and minor ones elsewhere and they share the same problem as the Hasegawa, being fundamentally a D fuselage. Their C has the same problems aside from the incorrect fuselage for the type issue common to all Strike Eagles in 1/48 that aren't the Revell. These kits are best used as parts donor's for Revell's far superior F-15E, as they provide the weapons and other bits to do an F-15E/I/K/S/SM that is newer than the Gulf War 1 era and the weapons and update sprues are superb. Edited March 1, 2015 by mawz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deke Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 IIRC the accurate rating, until recently, went something like this (best to worst): Hasegawa Monogram Tamiya Academy Fujimi Not sure where Great Wall's kit fits in, but it should certainly be at or near the top. That being said, I have a hard time seeing the shape issues that more knowledgeable guys see on the Academy kit and enjoyed the build. I believe the Monogram kit is considered to be more accurate in shape then the Hasegawa kit. Deke Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I tend to agree. Not to take this OT but anyone know what's next for these guys? Not Russian for 100% fact. You'll be very pleasantly surprised, I promise :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Cartograph decals CartograF. There is no "ph" in Italian. It drives them crazy that people can't seem to get the name of their company right. They've been in business for 50 years, and it's always been spelled Cartograf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Please justify your position, taking into account the latest edition of the GWH kit. A statement of opinion without any justification isn't very helpful. Unless, of course, your intention is to simply be a troll and not contribute anything meaningful to this discussion. Mark Mark, Even the latest edition of the Great Wall Hobbies 1/48 Eagle is less accurate of the old Hasegawa release. Here are some examples of the Great Wall Hobbies inaccuracies: Missile Launchers: LAU-128 missile launchers not included. Cockpit: Side consoles way too low and, as a result, dashboards too long. Under Fuselage: Both drain pipes are missing, which is correct only for a late not for an early Eagle. Exhaust Nozzles: Plastic actuators are way too thick, plastic petals are too long. Engine Humps: Too much pronounced, bulging laterally too much. Horizontal Stabilizers: Heavy reinforcement strips but there are none of such strips on the F-15C. Trailing Edges: Wings, tails, and stabilizers trailing edges are very thick - way over scaled. Wing mobile surfaces: Both flaps and ailerons are separate parts but their fit is very poor. Air Intakes: Curved air intakes lips but they should be straight. Seats: Seats way too tall. Intake Trunks: Trunks are too long and ridiculously narrow in the middle. Engine fans and inlets: Both kind included but fan bladed count is wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Is their somewhere a list of the inaccuracies of the Hasegawa kits ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galileo1 Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) I truly appreciate these responses, guys! Galfa, I am truly greatful for the list of issues on the GWH kit. Would you happen to have one for the Hasegawa kit to compare? I've read build reviews on the Hase kit but no one really seems to focus on the accuracy aspects of the kit. Thanks again all! Rob Edited March 1, 2015 by galileo1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Mark, Even the latest edition of the Great Wall Hobbies 1/48 Eagle is less accurate of the old Hasegawa release. Here are some examples of the Great Wall Hobbies inaccuracies: Missile Launchers: LAU-128 missile launchers not included. Cockpit: Side consoles way too low and, as a result, dashboards too long. Under Fuselage: Both drain pipes are missing, which is correct only for a late not for an early Eagle. Exhaust Nozzles: Plastic actuators are way too thick, plastic petals are too long. Engine Humps: Too much pronounced, bulging laterally too much. Horizontal Stabilizers: Heavy reinforcement strips but there are none of such strips on the F-15C. Trailing Edges: Wings, tails, and stabilizers trailing edges are very thick - way over scaled. Wing mobile surfaces: Both flaps and ailerons are separate parts but their fit is very poor. Air Intakes: Curved air intakes lips but they should be straight. Seats: Seats way too tall. Intake Trunks: Trunks are too long and ridiculously narrow in the middle. Engine fans and inlets: Both kind included but fan bladed count is wrong. It's indeed funny, but several of these severe mistakes can either be corrected quite easily or not even included on the Hasegawa kit. Especially the surface details, the latest add-ons which are only on the latest blocks are in no way included in any of Hasegawa's kit. As far as I remember the Hasegawa kit, there is not even a too narrow intake trunk nor a wrong number of fan-blades, LAU-128 missile launcher were also not included (at least in my very old edition), and regarding the way too thick leading edges and other details You mention can easily be corrected with a little effort. I think "we" are still aircraft modellers and we are not buying a shake and display kit. Again I don't say it is a 100% perfect kit, but the Hasegawa isn't it too ...as such stay fair. Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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