martin_sam_2000 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hi All, I have a plan to do a few what-if German naval models. BF-109T, Stuka and JU-88 as they would have been if the Germans got their aircraft carriers in service. My question is, hypothetically, what colours would they have used on the upper camo. I am thinking light gray and light blue splinter with white squiggles, sorta like the night fighter camo. Anyone have any better ideas, or maybe even a possible photo/drawing?? kinda like this but with blue and gray Thanks, Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AVGBob Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are we talking an operational German carrier in 1941 or like 44, 45, 46, etc. I think time frame would make a difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Well, Kriegsmarine colors for aircraft started as a light grey, but then eventually they started using the same standard splinter in the same colors as the Luftwaffe. BUT, I'd say since its a what if, make the colors up. A mix of light and dark blues might be cool looking. Post pictures when you start, I'd like to see this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Rightwinger26's call outs are incorrect. The standard Luftwaffe Marine camouflage consisted of a splinter pattern in RLM shades 72 and 73, over 65. AFIIK, these colors were carried by Luftwaffe aircraft operating in a marine theater, throughout the war. Ar-196s, FW-200s, Ju-88s, etc were flown in these colors. Many times, a spaghetti pattern of 65 might be oversprayed on top of them. I've also heard of 76 being used in the same manner. Edited March 17, 2015 by Hal Marshman Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Thanks for the info guys!! Rightwinger26's call outs are incorrect. The standard Luftwaffe Marine camouflage consisted of a splinter pattern in RLM shades 73 and 74, over 65. AFIIK, these colors were carried by Luftwaffe aircraft operating in a marine theater, throughout the war. Ar-196s, FW-200s, Ju-88s, etc were flown in these colors. Many times, a spaghetti pattern of 65 might be oversprayed on top of them. I've also heard of 76 being used in the same manner. This is exactly what I was thinking of doing. I thought I saw it somewhere but I couldn't find any official colour call outs. All three of these kits are ones I built years ago and have decided to rebuild. I will have some pics posted once I get a few of the current builds out of the way. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Please take note of the changes I made in my original post. Correct RLM colors are 72 and 73. Forgive my typos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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martin_sam_2000 Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Please take note of the changes I made in my original post. Correct RLM colors are 72 and 73. Forgive my typos. noted. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk10 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) If I were going to do this project, I would paint the Bf109T and the Ju87C in the 72/73/65 scheme (as far as I know when those two a/c were finally issued to Luftwaffe and used operationally, they were in the 70/71/65 color scheme). As far as the Ju88 goes, I doubt that it would ever have been used on the Graf Zeppelin, being too large. However, the Ju88 (and its younger brother the JU188) were used operationally in Norway on anti-shipping duty in the 72/73/65 scheme, with and without the thin gray stripes on the uppers. I'll check my references when I get home tonight. (Am currently at the airport getting ready to go to work on the "J3 From Hell") Edited March 20, 2015 by Hawk10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 DKM Graf Spee, Kapitan Hans Langsdorf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 DKM Graf Spee, Kapitan Hans Langsdorf True statement, RLM02 HE-60. I never specified dates in my original post to clarify what I meant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 RLM 02, or RLM 63? I think the latter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 All of my reference books say RLM-02 with RLM-01 floats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 thanks for the info! I will save this thread for when I get to painting the planes. I got a start on the 109 today and managed to rough out the wing extensions. I should have pics up by mon. Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Here is a link to my in progress for the -109. I will post here when I start the -87 and -88. My link Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin_sam_2000 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) time to get this thread going again. i should be ready to paint my German carrier aircraft soon. Here is the scheme i am going to go with: RLM 74/75/76 with squiggles over the top. I have a feeling this will look the most convincing for a naval aircraft over the North Atlantic. I am going to try to use the white outline only crosses on the top of the wing, Not too sure what I have laying around. I may make masks for those. I also need to figure out what would make a good unit colour. I figure with the white in the desert, and the yellow on the eastern front, I would use a dark blue on these. Spinner, lower cowling and rudder on the 109 Spinner, wingtips and rudder on the Stuka. Sean Edited August 9, 2015 by martin_sam_2000 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mawz Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 True statement, RLM02 HE-60. I never specified dates in my original post to clarify what I meant. That's actually standard Luftwaffe colours for the era. Lots of stuff in all-over RLM02 in the mid/late 30's. Maritime aviation got its own schemes later on. IIRC the Bf109T's were actually produced in the Maritime scheme, although they never saw naval service. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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