THE Revell F-4G build thread

[falcon20driver]

I noticed a lot of us purchased the new Revell 1/32 F-4G kit, so I figured an informal group build area would be a nice idea. We can use this as our area of information. Share photos of the real deal, your builds, and any problems and solutions you come across! Everyone building the kit is welcome to share. I'll get things going:

I got some aftermarket goodies for mine. I started with the legend F-4E cockpit. I know its not correct for a G, but apparently its not really correct for an E either! I'll use what I can and try to modify what needs some work to bring it into a G setup for the most part. The casting is beautiful! I have the AMS resin intake cover because I just don't want to deal with the intakes. Also, I have the Eduard placard set and Stencil set as well as a Master pitot set. I purchased the beautiful Speed Hunter decals to build it up in the Euro 1 scheme. I'm leaning towards 69-7218 based out of Clark AB in June of '88. I'll start cleaning resin tomorrow and then really dig in to the build once I finish my Magister project.

Your turn!

[Kurt H.]

I want to start one too, I am trying to decide if I want to go OOB or get the GT resin super set.

[Harold]

If your FOD covers aren't completely flat and fit flush to the intakes, dip them in hot water for a few seconds and bend them to shape.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Harold

[falcon20driver]

Harold thanks for the heads up.

[phantom]

Here is my completed 1/32 F-4G from Revell. Its a F-4E converted with unknown resin. I finished it last year BEFORE anyone knew about the OOB kit.

[falcon20driver]

Phantom that's a sharp looking build. All of us that have the G in kit form thank you for appeasing the modeling gods by building one the hard way.

[chek]

Something I've wondered about while the subject is in mind, and no doubt asked before: is there any way of telling F-4Gs apart given the USAF's 'last three' serial presentation on the fin? For example is 69-261 a block 42 69-0261 or a block 44 69-7261, or is 69-298 really -0298 or -7298. And there are plenty more last three 'duplicates' as can be seen below.

Or maybe something like all block 44s were sent to Clark. Or Spangdahlem, or wherever?

In the interests of actually providing some maybe useful information, here's what I've compiled from the great Joe Baugher's 1969 serials page.

Hopefully it'll be of some use to somebody somewhere at sometime.

Blk42

0236 (c/n 3757) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0237 (c/n 3758) converted to F-4G in 1978

0238 (c/n 3760) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0239 (c/n 3761) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0240 (c/n 3763) converted to F-4G.

0241 (c/n 3764) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0242 (c/n 3765) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0243 (c/n 3767) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0244 (c/n 3768) converted to F-4G.

0245 (c/n 3769) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0246 (c/n 3771) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0247 (c/n 3772) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0248 (c/n 3773) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0249 (c/n 3775) converted to F-4G in 1989.

0250 (c/n 3776) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0251 (c/n 3778) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0252 (c/n 3779) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0253 (c/n 3780) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0254 (c/n 3782) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0255 (c/n 3783) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0257 (c/n 3786) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0258 (c/n 3787) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0259 (c/n 3788) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0260 (c/n 3790) converted to F-4G.

0261 (c/n 3791) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0263 (c/n 3794) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0264 (c/n 3795) converted to F-4G in 1990.

0265 (c/n 3797) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0267 (c/n 3799) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0269 (c/n 3802) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0270 (c/n 3803) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0271 (c/n 3805) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0272 (c/n 3806) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0273 (c/n 3807) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0274 (c/n 3809) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0275 (c/n 3810) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0277 (c/n 3813) converted to F-4G in 1981.

0278 (c/n 3814) converted to F-4G.

0279 (c/n 3815) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0280 (c/n 3817) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0281 (c/n 3818) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0283 (c/n 3821) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0284 (c/n 3822) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0285 (c/n 3823) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0286 (c/n 3825) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0290 (c/n 3830) converted to F-4G.

0292 (c/n 3832) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0293 (c/n 3833) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0297 (c/n 3838) converted to F-4G in 1980.

0298 (c/n 3839) converted to F-4G.

0301 (c/n 3843) converted to F-4G.

0303 (c/n 3845) converted to F-4G.

Blk43

0304 (c/n 3847) converted to F-4G in 1978.

0305 (c/n 3848) converted to F-4G.

0306 (c/n 3850) converted to F-4G in 1979.

0307 (c/n 3851) converted to F-4G in 1979.

Blk43

7201 (c/n 3854) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7202 (c/n 3855) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7204 (c/n 3857) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7205 (c/n 3858) converted to F-4G.

7206 (c/n 3860) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7207 (c/n 3862) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7208 (c/n 3864) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7209 (c/n 3865) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7210 (c/n 3866) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7211 (c/n 3868) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7212 (c/n 3869) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7213 (c/n 3871) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7214 (c/n 3873) converted to F-4G.

7215 (c/n 3874) converted to F-4G.

7216 (c/n 3876) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7218 (c/n 3879) converted to F-4G.

7219 (c/n 3880) converted to F-4G.

7220 (c/n 3881) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7223 (c/n 3886) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7228 (c/n 3893) converted to F-4G.

7231 (C/n 3898) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7232 (c/n 3900) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7233 (c/n 3901) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7234 (c/n 3902) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7235 (c/n 3903) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7251 (c/n 3928) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7252 (c/n 3929) converted to F-4G.

7253 (c/n 3931) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7254 (c/n 3932) converted to YF-4G prototype Dec 1975.

7256 (c/n 3935) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7257 (c/n 3936) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7258 (c/n 3939) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7259 (c/n 3942) converted to F-4G.

7260 (c/n 3943) converted to F-4G.

Blk44

7261 (c/n 3944) converted to F-4G.

7262 (c/n 3945) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7263 (c/n 3947) converted to F-4G in 1977.

7267 (c/n 3952) converted to F-4G.

7268 (c/n 3955) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7270 (c/n 3957) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7272 (c/n 3960) converted to F-4G in 1978.

Blk44

7286 (c/n 3964) converted to F-4G in 1981.

7287 (c/n 3965) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7288 (c/n 3967) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7289 (c/n 3968) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7290 (c/n 3969) converted to F-4G in 1976.

7291 (c/n 3970) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7293 (c/n 3972) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7294 (c/n 3974) converted to F-4G.

7295 (c/n 3975) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7297 (c/n 3978) converted to F-4G.

7298 (c/n 3980) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7300 (c/n 3983) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7301 (c/n 3984) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7303 (c/n 3987) converted to F-4G in 1980.

Blk44

7546 (c/n 3988) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7550 (c/n 3994) converted to F-4G in 1980

7551 (c/n 3995) converted to F-4G.

7555 (c/n 4001) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7556 (c/n 4002) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7557 (c/n 4004) converted to F-4G.

7558 (c/n 4005) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7560 (c/n 4009) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7561 (c/n 4010) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7566 (c/n 4016) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7571 (c/n 4024) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7572 (c/n 4026) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7574 (c/n 4028) converted to F-4G in 1980.

Blk45

7579 (c/n 4036) converted to F-4G in 1979.

7580 (c/n 4042) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7581 (c/n 4047) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7582 (c/n 4053) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7583 (c/n 4058) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7584 (c/n 4064) converted to F-4G in 1978.

7586 (c/n 4075) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7587 (c/n 4079) converted to F-4G in 1980.

7588 (c/n 4083) converted to F-4G in 1979.

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1969.html

edit: list appended

Edited April 13, 2015 by chek

[mike_45]

I was digging through my parts box and discovered that sometime ago I picked up a set of the Eduard Late USAF nozzles for some reason for the Tamiya kit, any one know if these can be black smith'ed into the Revell F-4G?

[Scott R Wilson]

Something I've wondered about while the subject is in mind, and no doubt asked before: is there any way of telling F-4Gs apart given the USAF's 'last three' serial presentation on the fin? For example is 69-261 a block 42 69-0261 or a block 44 69-7261, or is 69-298 really -0298 or -7298. And there are plenty more last three 'duplicates' as can be seen below.

Or maybe something like all block 44s were sent to Clark. Or Spangdahlem, or wherever?

In the interests of actually providing some maybe useful

edit: list appended

There was no rhyme nor reason for how the Weasels were distributed to units. I have a photo I took in 1982 of 69-0254 and 69-7254 side-by-side at the radar cal docks at George AFB . Both have the tail numbers presented as 69 254. The only difference between them was one had a red top on the tail pod, the other was blue.

When I photographed all of the aircraft from the 81TFS and a day later the 23TFS at Zaragoza ( the 81st left back to Spangdahlem that morning, with the 23rd arriving in the afternoon) I had to climb up the boarding steps of each jet to see the data plate in the front cockpit to know exactly which airplane I'd photographed, which I recorded in a notebook.

Scott Wilson

Edited April 14, 2015 by Scott R Wilson

[falcon20driver]

Thats a good question mike, I'd like to know as well.

I've started painting my bang seats in between coats of paint on my other build. The Legend seats are awesome looking. I'm really liking 1/32, the details are really vibrant in this scale.

[mike_45]

Thats a good question mike, I'd like to know as well.

I've started painting my bang seats in between coats of paint on my other build. The Legend seats are awesome looking. I'm really liking 1/32, the details are really vibrant in this scale.

Yeah, I am debating hacking them up to make them fit based upon the cost of them. At this point they cost more than the kit itself. Who knows, maybe one day I will actually get a Tamiya kit. I don't have to use them now I spose.

Thats good you are getting started, I have been tasked with a large project of removing a lot of sod from the yard for a new garden. Then I have a few other projects in the works I want to get done before I cant start this kit. In other words, I am pretty jealous of your progress!

Edited April 14, 2015 by mike_45

[DONG]

Here is my completed 1/32 F-4G from Revell. Its a F-4E converted with unknown resin. I finished it last year BEFORE anyone knew about the OOB kit.

Shawn

CAM Resin and Academy HARMS from the F-18 kit.

Don

[falcon20driver]

Mike I spent the afternoon working on staining the fence, so I feel your pain.

[chek]

Thanks Scott - that's exactly the answer I wasn't hoping for, but your dedication is appreciated!

Also, as someone who is having to re-catalogue all their aircraft photos recovered after a hard drive crash, may I take this opportunity to thank you for sharing your collection over the years.

Most of my pictures of European-based USAFE Phantoms during the 1980s seem to be yours and very high quality they are, more often than not with accurate contemporaneous notes and descriptions.

[Scott R Wilson]

Thanks Scott - that's exactly the answer I wasn't hoping for, but your dedication is appreciated!

Also, as someone who is having to re-catalogue all their aircraft photos recovered after a hard drive crash, may I take this opportunity to thank you for sharing your collection over the years.

Most of my pictures of European-based USAFE Phantoms during the 1980s seem to be yours and very high quality they are, more often than not with accurate contemporaneous notes and descriptions.

I'm glad you like my photos. I haven't been posting as many lately. I keep finding websites, especially on Facebook, where people post my photos without giving me credit, and I don't much appreciate that.

If you guys want true works of art to use for exhaust nozzles, check out Sierra Hotel's. Currently they're sold out on their website, but if you beg, plead, and cry a little, maybe they'll make some more for you!

http://sierrahotelmodels.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4056979

Here's the photo I took in April 1982 at George AFB of both 254s together:

Edited April 15, 2015 by Scott R Wilson

[chek]

I'm glad you like my photos. I haven't been posting as many lately. I keep finding websites, especially on Facebook, where people post my photos without giving me credit, and I don't much appreciate that.

Here's the photo I took in April 1982 at George AFB of both 254s together:

Thanks for the photo Scott, though I'm still working through my F-4D folder so I don't yet know if I already have it from a previous occasion with the Gs.

I wanted to add have you thought of using an EXIF or IPTC editor?

Most internet scavengers won't know of their existence but it will let you embed your credit in the photo header data.

Otherwise, as a sometime session muso, we'll have to be content with increasing the sum of human happiness without necessarily getting credit for it.

p.s. Which is which in your pic?

Edited April 15, 2015 by chek

[Scott R Wilson]

Thanks for the photo Scott, though I'm still working through my F-4D folder so I don't yet know if I already have it from a previous occasion with the Gs.

I wanted to add have you thought of using an EXIF or IPTC editor?

Most internet scavengers won't know of their existence but it will let you embed your credit in the photo header data.

Otherwise, as a sometime session muso, we'll have to be content with increasing the sum of human happiness without necessarily getting credit for it.

p.s. Which is which in your pic?

I don't know for sure which was which. Unfortunately I didn't record which jet was in the 562nd and which in the 563rd.

I'd never heard of the software you mentioned, maybe I'll check it out someday. Heck, I've got so many photos out there already I guess I ought to take your advice and just not worry about it. It peeves me when people post my photos on their sites without mentioning they weren't the photographer, implying they took the photos. One fellow on Facebook argued with me when I commented on a photo he'd posted that I was the photographer, demanding that I show proof the photo was actually my work. Jeez. But what the heck, if people enjoy my work why not get it out there? Keeping my photos sealed up in my slide collection doesn't do anybody any good.

So, would you guys like to see any of the photos of real F-4Gs I took back in the day? Post them here, or start a thread in Research or what? Let me know what you prefer.

And since you seem to know more than I do about software, perhaps you know of some way I could get my Hewlett-Packard S20 slide scanner to work with more recent versions of Windows than XP? I'd been using an old XP laptop for my scanner but the laptop died. HP didn't do any drivers for the scanner for any more recent versions of Windows. So I'm dead in the water for scanning anything new since I can't afford a new scanner right now.

Scott W.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Scott R Wilson

[chek]

So, would you guys like to see any of the photos of real F-4Gs I took back in the day? Post them here, or start a thread in Research or what? Let me know what you prefer.

The answer is a definite yes from me, although a thread in research would likely work better for anyone looking up this subject in, say, 10 years time....

And since you seem to know more than I do about software, perhaps you know of some way I could get my Hewlett-Packard S20 slide scanner to work with more recent versions of Windows than XP? I'd been using an old XP laptop for my scanner but the laptop died. HP didn't do any drivers for the scanner for any more recent versions of Windows. So I'm dead in the water for scanning anything new since I can't afford a new scanner right now.

Scott W.

Scott, I work in the education system for kids with learning difficulties and this summer our system switched from XP to Win7 with similar difficulties being encountered.

It's all very well for the Board admin to declare 'get new software and/or devices' but some special material (gesture aided comprehension by signage for instance) just won't ever be updated.

However, if your new system is 32 bit, you might have success with 'compatibility mode': right click on your scanner software's installation file (setup.exe or similar) then left click 'properties', Click the 'Compatibility' tab then set to run the program in whichever version of XP worked for you before in the drop-down window.

Apply and click OK.

After installation, do the same for the start exe. program which will likely be your Program Files folder on your C drive, under the scanner brand name.

This has worked for a lot of our older stuff, so good luck and I hope it goes well for you.

64 bit Windows has proved impossible for some things to run on, although there is still the possibility of running a free virtual version of WinXP within Win7 or 8 if your CPU supports it. Ours don't, and there's no money for a paid version that'll do that.

If I can be of any further assistance or have not been clear enough , feel free to email me at chek16remove atremove gmailremove dotremove comremove, removing the removes and spaces, obviously. It's the least I can do in appreciation of your contributions over the years.

[mike_45]

I don't know for sure which was which. Unfortunately I didn't record which jet was in the 562nd and which in the 563rd.

I'd never heard of the software you mentioned, maybe I'll check it out someday. Heck, I've got so many photos out there already I guess I ought to take your advice and just not worry about it. It peeves me when people post my photos on their sites without mentioning they weren't the photographer, implying they took the photos. One fellow on Facebook argued with me when I commented on a photo he'd posted that I was the photographer, demanding that I show proof the photo was actually my work. Jeez. But what the heck, if people enjoy my work why not get it out there? Keeping my photos sealed up in my slide collection doesn't do anybody any good.

So, would you guys like to see any of the photos of real F-4Gs I took back in the day? Post them here, or start a thread in Research or what? Let me know what you prefer.

And since you seem to know more than I do about software, perhaps you know of some way I could get my Hewlett-Packard S20 slide scanner to work with more recent versions of Windows than XP? I'd been using an old XP laptop for my scanner but the laptop died. HP didn't do any drivers for the scanner for any more recent versions of Windows. So I'm dead in the water for scanning anything new since I can't afford a new scanner right now.

Scott W.

I would love to see any F-4 photo you have. Post away! If you start a new thread let me know where.

Mike I spent the afternoon working on staining the fence, so I feel your pain.

Nice. I got almost all of the grads out today. Getting close to being done.

Edited April 15, 2015 by mike_45

[phantom]

Shawn

CAM Resin and Academy HARMS from the F-18 kit.

Don

Thanks Don, you would be the guy in the know.

[falcon20driver]

Scott I'd be thrilled to see some G models wearing the Euro 1 scheme.

[ulvdemon]

I've seen this at my Hobby Lobby, I may have to get this one also.

[chek]

Having checked some refs, Scott's photo of the two Weasels with the same 'apparent' tail numbers on the last page show that F-4G 69-0254 WW of the 562nd TFS is the one with the blue top on the fin pod and 69-7254 WW has the red top of the 563rd TFS April 1982. To complete the set, a 561st TFS example would wear yellow.

It'd make an interesting diorama for anyone looking to give some contest judges a meltdown.

[Scott R Wilson]

Having checked some refs, Scott's photo of the two Weasels with the same 'apparent' tail numbers on the last page show that F-4G 69-0254 WW of the 562nd TFS is the one with the blue top on the fin pod and 69-7254 WW has the red top of the 563rd TFS April 1982. To complete the set, a 561st TFS example would wear yellow.

It'd make an interesting diorama for anyone looking to give some contest judges a meltdown.

Thanks for the research. I'll add the info to the filename of my photo on my computer so I'll know in the future.

I started a thread for photos of real Weasels in Research Corner. I have another airplane there that might give "knowledgeable" judges a meltdown as well. 69-7579 was painted with 34092 dark green in place of the normal 34079. I think she looks pretty cool! I've seen only a couple of other Phantoms painted that way.

There's just a few 52TFW jets in my photo thread so far. I'll add more from George AFB as I find time. And if I get my scanner up and running again I'll scan more Spangdahlem jets too.

PhotoBucket is being especially balky today and took too much of my time to get these posted. Anybody have better luck with another service? Any of ya'll who have good photos should feel free to add them to my thread!

Scott W.

[chek]

69-7579 was painted with 34092 dark green in place of the normal 34079. I think she looks pretty cool! I've seen only a couple of other Phantoms painted that way.

Scott W.

Nice that the wing tanks are in the regular 34079 to provide a reference!