Mstor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Doppelgänger said: Hey! That was me in the above picture, wearing a Batman mask, mocking Haley Joel Osment's character on The Sixth Sense. The picture took a lot of doing; like I had to put on some makeup round my eyes, and find a blanket in the approximate color the character is covered with in the film. Now that Martin has finally replied nobody seems to care that it was because of that picture I summoned Martin to reply on this thread! What a nerve, everyone... Wow, then well done Sir! Your summoning powers are truly impressive. My only complaint is, what took you so long? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doppelgänger Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mstor said: My only complaint is, what took you so long? Aaaahhh, complaints, complaints, complaints; you know? "The AMK Tomcat kit rear flanks look kind of funny..." Girlie wouldn't agree to lend me her makeup, so I stole it while she was out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 43 minutes ago, Doppelgänger said: Aaaahhh, complaints, complaints, complaints; you know? "The AMK Tomcat kit rear flanks look kind of funny..." Girlie wouldn't agree to lend me her makeup, so I stole it while she was out. Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Carry on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solher1 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) I don't use Facebook, who can post the pictures Martin is talking about here? jsolo Edited November 5, 2018 by solher1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 11/4/2018 at 6:48 AM, Jonathan_Lotton said: Why? Because I incorrectly named a vendor which was corrected? Save your self righteous corrections for someone who gives a shoot Fasten your seatbelts everybody. Here we go again. Oh, this is hilarious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 11/4/2018 at 1:24 PM, Dave Roof said: To be perfectly clear, I really have no dog in this fight. I couldn't care less about the F-14 or scale models of it. Will I build one? Probably.....maybe. Do I really, really care if it is accurate or not? No, not really. For this particular aircraft, I'm a TLAR modeler (that looks about right). None of the photos I've posted are mine either. I've simply re-posted images that others have. I'm just making an attempt at being a voice of reason in this endless sea of negative complaints. It's actually quite sad to see AMK being verbally treated the way they are by a bunch of scale modelers who have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. It amazes me too Dave. Adults acting like hysterical kids. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Martin @ AMK Models said: Theres no issue with the back end. The photographs and lines make for an optical illusion. I have posted comparison pictures on facebook. I'll be taking samples to Telford. If you're there you can see for yourself. I don't feel the need to post endless proof to forums because the kit will speak for itself. At the ned of the day, modelers will buy it or not as the case may be. I think that once you see the final product and the ad infinitum reviews come out then all will be answered. Life is too short to get all knotted up about a kit that you haven't seen yet. I admit that the delay is frustrating for all not just modelers. There is a reaon for it but I am not able to share at this point. All will become clear. Edited November 5, 2018 by galfa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) here is the photo Martin uploaded last. because someone asked. now the issue about the rear of the fuselage. Yes I get to be the red line guy. the the top of the airbag is more or less parallel to the bottom the AMK kit that we have pictures of. (it could be just a test shot, and MAYBE AMK has done some retooling) the line is not straight . to me it looks like the fuselage is too thick, requiring the area between the vertical and horizontal stabs to have too much of a slope and the air bags to swoop up to seal the gap . Edited November 5, 2018 by dylan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, galfa said: Nice try Martin. Your message confirms beyond doubt that the rear fuselage of the Tomcat AMK is grossly inaccurate.The single photograph you posted on Facebook is a picture taken from above when it is clear that errors regarding the rear fuselage of the Tomcat AMK are only visible from the side.Personally I find disrespectful to all of us, and more particularly to those who have pre-ordered the Tomcat AMK, to liquidate the whole issue as an "optical illusion."Even more disrespectful considering that you have repeatedly explained in this forum that the policy of the AMK is a policy of full openness towards the whole modelling community.Yet it would take a single picture of the rear fuselage side to show that the Tomcat AMK is accurate, that it was indeed an "optical illusion".A single photo taken from the side would be enough ... but it seems asking too much. Then wait till next week, it will be at TELFORD...…... Meantime, why not quit slagging the guy off, and open your gob again once it has been made public instead of basing it on nothing more than an unsupported claim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doppelgänger Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, galfa said: Personally I find disrespectful to all of us, and more particularly to those who have pre-ordered the Tomcat AMK, to liquidate the whole issue as an "optical illusion." Gandalf, relax! I concur with you with respect to the fact that, if AMK ever wanted to settle the score about this, just one single picture would be enough. I really can't judge why Martin is not doing this, but out of respect to those who've pre-ordered; keep it cool until the kit is released. How many kits have you pre-ordered? I've pre-ordered none, but I really wish this mistery would have been unveiled by now. And yet, everyone should remember AMK has already released their 1/48 Kfir kit with a major flaw (the rule area on it was inexistent), which prompted me to getting the Kinetic kit. Some months ago AMK released this kit once again with a corrected fuselage, so I guess this is going to be the case with their F-14D kit IF the rear flanks were pants. What I'm triying to say to you is that, having Martin already done this statement you've found disrepectful, AMK's reputation is seriously at stake if this were not true. You've got to give Martin at least that, don't you think? Time to time, my mate. I've seen the deadline was moved further back to December. Take it easy, everyone. Cheers, Onigiri Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Given Phantomdriver and Doppelganger replies, I deleted my last post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, solher1 said: I don't use Facebook, who can post the pictures Martin is talking about here? jsolo Here's both photos posted by Martin on Facebook (only one of his photos was reposted here)... Edited November 5, 2018 by Mstor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timvkampen Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 pfff....this thread is amazingly fascinating and tiring at the same time...keep it up, we go for the record number of pages... Oh and I pre-ordered as I think it is a great project by AMK! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, Doppelgänger said: And yet, everyone should remember AMK has already released their 1/48 Kfir kit with a major flaw (the rule area on it was inexistent), which prompted me to getting the Kinetic kit. Some months ago AMK released this kit once again with a corrected fuselage, so I guess this is going to be the case with their F-14D kit IF the rear flanks were pants. Major flaw with AMK’s Kfir, are you sure? Let me explain, the so called area rule is one of the common optical illusion, which take affect at transonic speed and makes things appears coke bottle shaped. But that effect is non existant at stationationary. AMK still retooled their Kfir once they were told about the effect of that illusion, but the truth is that, as it’s the same case here, there are no IFs, there was no issue whatsoever with the kit, because even at M0.9 it’s hardly visible! But I guess those were the days when optical illusions are not commonly know. Sorry, I can’t help, I'm not grey as Gandalf yet, but I pretty much agree with galfa. Professionalism is kind of rare these days, and it's a hobby industry, so what can I expect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nachjager Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, dylan said: here is the photo Martin uploaded last. because someone asked. now the issue about the rear of the fuselage. Yes I get to be the red line guy. the the top of the airbag is more or less parallel to the bottom the AMK kit that we have pictures of. (it could be just a test shot, and MAYBE AMK has done some retooling) the line is not straight . to me it looks like the fuselage is too thick, requiring the area between the vertical and horizontal stabs to have too much of a slope and the air bags to swoop up to seal the gap . More curves than Jennifer Lopez...JLO Tomcat! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 hours ago, gtypecanare said: Yes, Grumman supported our product. Happy modeling! Go look at the real thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, Doppelgänger said: Gandalf, relax! I concur with you with respect to the fact that, if AMK ever wanted to settle the score about this, just one single picture would be enough. I really can't judge why Martin is not doing this, but out of respect to those who've pre-ordered; keep it cool until the kit is released. How many kits have you pre-ordered? I've pre-ordered none, but I really wish this mistery would have been unveiled by now. And yet, everyone should remember AMK has already released their 1/48 Kfir kit with a major flaw (the rule area on it was inexistent), which prompted me to getting the Kinetic kit. Some months ago AMK released this kit once again with a corrected fuselage, so I guess this is going to be the case with their F-14D kit IF the rear flanks were pants. What I'm triying to say to you is that, having Martin already done this statement you've found disrepectful, AMK's reputation is seriously at stake if this were not true. You've got to give Martin at least that, don't you think? Time to time, my mate. I've seen the deadline was moved further back to December. Take it easy, everyone. Cheers, Onigiri Did you flunk math?????? Can you read a micrometer? Even digital calipers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Doppelgänger said: Hey! That was me in the above picture, wearing a Batman mask, mocking Haley Joel Osment's character on The Sixth Sense. The picture took a lot of doing; like I had to put on some makeup round my eyes, and find a blanket in the approximate color the character is covered with in the film. Is this the final release picture ? or a pre-production picture ? The ears are all wrong, the curvature of the mask is fatally flawed, the space between the eyes is too wide. Compared to the Moebius kit, which is obviously perfectly accurate, I will certainly be demanding my pre-order payment refunded. Are you going to fix this pic before Telford ? We are owed an explanation and photos of the corrected mask IMMEDIATELY !!!! 🙈 🙉 🙊 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin @ AMK Models Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, Doppelgänger said: Gandalf, relax! I concur with you with respect to the fact that, if AMK ever wanted to settle the score about this, just one single picture would be enough. I really can't judge why Martin is not doing this, but out of respect to those who've pre-ordered; keep it cool until the kit is released. Simple to answer that one. Because I am in the UK and the parts are in China. I have no access to them and there are various iterations of the kit of course. A mold is not just a mold, it has to be tested and this build was just that. A test build. We are on about mold number 4. The kit will speak for itself, I am confident. No amount of red lining from pictures of different angles will deter us from bringing out the best Tomcat. I have spoken to Sio this evening. The kit is on about version 4 and the GPS dome is corrected as are the bladders. I don't need to defend anything here so I doubt I'll answer any more here because it seems to cause problems of it's own. The kit is delayed and for that I am personally very sorry. There are very good reasons but reasons I cannot share for commerical and legal reasons. Put it this way, there are eyes everywhere and through our own wish to be transparent we trusted someone. I'll leave it there. Me? I am going to back to building my models. Why you may ask? Because I erroneously thought that I could help by being here, perhaps that is adding fuel to the situation so I'll be away until the kit is released. See you all at Telford and you want to give me a nudge then it would be good to see you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Martin @ AMK Models said: Simple to answer that one. Because I am in the UK and the parts are in China. I have no access to them and there are various iterations of the kit of course. A mold is not just a mold, it has to be tested and this build was just that. A test build. We are on about mold number 4. The kit will speak for itself, I am confident. No amount of red lining from pictures of different angles will deter us from bringing out the best Tomcat. I have spoken to Sio this evening. The kit is on about version 4 and the GPS dome is corrected as are the bladders. I don't need to defend anything here so I doubt I'll answer any more here because it seems to cause problems of it's own. The kit is delayed and for that I am personally very sorry. There are very good reasons but reasons I cannot share for commerical and legal reasons. Put it this way, there are eyes everywhere and through our own wish to be transparent we trusted someone. I'll leave it there. Me? I am going to back to building my models. Why you may ask? Because I erroneously thought that I could help by being here, perhaps that is adding fuel to the situation so I'll be away until the kit is released. See you all at Telford and you want to give me a nudge then it would be good to see you. And push for the f100d!!!!!!!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin @ AMK Models Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 No waist on the F-14D at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Martin @ AMK Models said: Simple to answer that one. Because I am in the UK and the parts are in China. I have no access to them and there are various iterations of the kit of course. A mold is not just a mold, it has to be tested and this build was just that. A test build. We are on about mold number 4. The kit will speak for itself, I am confident. No amount of red lining from pictures of different angles will deter us from bringing out the best Tomcat. I have spoken to Sio this evening. The kit is on about version 4 and the GPS dome is corrected as are the bladders. I don't need to defend anything here so I doubt I'll answer any more here because it seems to cause problems of it's own. The kit is delayed and for that I am personally very sorry. There are very good reasons but reasons I cannot share for commerical and legal reasons. Put it this way, there are eyes everywhere and through our own wish to be transparent we trusted someone. I'll leave it there. Me? I am going to back to building my models. Why you may ask? Because I erroneously thought that I could help by being here, perhaps that is adding fuel to the situation so I'll be away until the kit is released. See you all at Telford and you want to give me a nudge then it would be good to see you. sorry I won't be at Telford this year.... All the best! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, delide said: Let me explain, the so called area rule is one of the common optical illusion, which take affect at transonic speed and makes things appears coke bottle shaped. But that effect is non existant at stationationary. AMK still retooled their Kfir once they were told about the effect of that illusion, but the truth is that, as it’s the same case here, there are no IFs, there was no issue whatsoever with the kit, because even at M0.9 it’s hardly visible! But I guess those were the days when optical illusions are not commonly know. Oh my........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin @ AMK Models Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) For some reason I can't post pictures. Can I send them to someone and get them posted? *posted to facebook AMK Fan Club. If someone could post here that would be great - thanks. Edited November 5, 2018 by Martin @ AMK Models new message Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 agree, Habu that post just couldn't mean what I thought it said If it does, and it were true,,,,,,,,I have a serious problem with my old F-102 models, the F-106s, the Phantoms,,,,,,geez,,,,omg, my F-11 Tigers are alllll screwed up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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