Neo Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Sio said: Congratulations! I will send you a Tomcat. PM me. Wow thats so cool Im jealous now!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 23 hours ago, gb_madcat_sl said: Pre-production kit being built. Hips don’t lie. That's Confirmed. Those hips are so off even Stevie Wonder would be able to tell... Not buying it even for those sweet wings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F-16 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 According to his profile, SIO was here 18 hours ago. So it seems that he IS watching this thread. SIO profile... Maybe he will have second thoughts and make mold changes to fix these problems before releasing the next Tomcat version? Wishful thinking? Scott CNJC-IPMS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 19 hours ago, ChernayaAkula said: Would you kindly retract that part about the mentally ill? Thank you. Forgive the off topic comment, but why? It is pretty obvious the context of that comment was in no way referring to those with a disability of any sort. Back to the kit. May not get the F-14 (not sure either way), but am definitely looking forward to picking up an ordnance set or two! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I also count on it. If he admits there is a mistake and is going to try to fix it then I'd even buy D version to support AMK. But if other versions will be released with no rework then... well, I just finished HB F-14, can deal with another one. Still would like to try this fitting and all that AMK has came up with tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 PLOT TWIST ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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shion Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Manuel J. Armas S. said: That's quite a big gap. The difference in width nearly double when the section approaches the wing. So we finally know, It's not the fact the aft is too wide, it's the wing section which is too narrow and curves too much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, shion said: That's quite a big gap. The difference in width nearly double when the section approaches the wing. So we finally know, It's not the fact the aft is too wide, it's the wing section which is too narrow and curves too much. ? What are you talking about? Pictures show curve on the tamiya fuselage is almost identical to AMK one. However the thing is, the top fuselage part of tamiya is slightly different. Edited August 19, 2019 by foxmulder_ms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, shion said: That's quite a big gap. The difference in width nearly double when the section approaches the wing. So we finally know, It's not the fact the aft is too wide, it's the wing section which is too narrow and curves too much. hmmm, look I know you wish to see some errors, but at the end you might find yourself a bit disappointed... bare in mind that fuselages are not aligned, and the picture was take from the side, not directly above curve and size of the waist is pretty much the same on AMK and Tamiya according to the pictures that recently emerged on facebook EDIT: my 1111 post 🤣 Edited August 19, 2019 by skuki Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Please compare top lines of fuselage side (bottom lines on the photo then). Are you sure they are identical? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) Can't be sure they are identical, no. In fact, I think that it is almost impossible that they are identical. Can't be sure which one is closer to the real thing, also. But in any case I'm sure it isn't OMG-ISSUE-HORROR-SHAPE-CURVE that was yesterday Edited August 19, 2019 by skuki Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) Well, technically it's not big but optically it matters. Human eye (not everyones apparently) can be "tricked" easily, sometimes even 1mm may make significan difference, especially when you are used to some shapes. I can assure you, that if I draw square and then bend one side by 1 pixel your eye will see difference and brain will tell you that something's wrong - you won't see much difference looking closely, but your brain will realize "it's not a square". As you see on Tamiyas model upper and bottom side lines are different, meanwhile on AMK they go along. And I believe that's - as my brain says - is also wrong. Edit. In fact, both bottom lines seem to be exactly same. the difference is in upper side fuselage lines. This is why on exactly top comparisons both look the same, but adding the angle and light the difference is visible. Edited August 19, 2019 by Tapchan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, skuki said: hmmm, look I know you wish to see some errors, but at the end you might find yourself a bit disappointed... bare in mind that fuselages are not aligned, and the picture was take from the side, not directly above curve and size of the waist is pretty much the same on AMK and Tamiya according to the pictures that recently emerged on facebook EDIT: my 1111 post 🤣 I don't wish errors, I see differences. If both fuselages aren't aligned, these pic is simply useless. So, taken as hypothesis fuselages are aligned, the two aft side curves are supposed to be aligned. But they're definetely not: http://www.imagebam.com/image/1ee57f1303307344 Edited August 19, 2019 by shion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Simply, AMK kit get's distorted on photos, other kits do not (even if they both are on the same photo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madcop Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Ahhhhhhhhh, blue lines now. We missed those !🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, shion said: I don't wish errors, I see differences. If both fuselages aren't aligned, these pic is simply useless. So, taken as hypothesis fuselages are aligned, the two aft side curves are supposed to be aligned. But they're definetely not: http://www.imagebam.com/image/1ee57f1303307344 Picture is not useless because it is not trying to compare the size of the waist, but the shape of the curve, to show that the curve is not overemphasized as stated by some. And here comes red, green and even blue lines.... sorry dude but you can not compare like this, for a bunch of reasons. And if i need to have precise measures with a tool and red green and blue lines to see the differences compared to another kit, not the real thing, they I can't take this to be some major fault in shape Edited August 19, 2019 by skuki Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 As I said on facebook...I think the biggest shape issue is in the engine fairing for the AMK model...it angles in too sharply which enhances the shape difference. If the fairing was more shallow and gentle in the curve I suspect the shape issue would largely vanish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parabat Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, madcop said: Ahhhhhhhhh, blue lines now. We missed those !🤣 😅 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, skuki said: Picture is not useless because it is not trying to compare the size of the waist, but the shape of the curve, to show that the curve is not overemphasized as stated by some. If both fuselages aren't aligned, yes, the picture itself is useless, there's no discussion. 1 minute ago, skuki said: And here comes red, green and blue lines.... sorry dude but you can not compare like thins, for a bunch of reasons. And if i need to have precise meassures with a tool and red green and blue lines to se the differences compared to another kit, not the real thing, they I can't take this to be some major fault in shape Both kits are representations in 1/48 of the same a/c, so of course we can compare thins. And it's not my fault if AMK is unable to provide decent top/side/bottom pics of their own kit, I say "unable" but we all know it's not a question of ability but something else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: As I said on facebook...I think the biggest shape issue is in the engine fairing for the AMK model...it angles in too sharply which enhances the shape difference. If the fairing was more shallow and gentle in the curve I suspect the shape issue would largely vanish True indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, shion said: there's no discussion. there is always discussion Look, you made your point, I do not want to convince you that the kit is perfect. and if you are so annoyed with the issues you found, than it is best for you to pass this kit... others will accept it as is... so will I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, madcop said: I really hope that in the coming posts we are going to see some purple and pink. I like Shion ! If he commits suicide I'll miss him badly !! 😋 🤣😄😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: As I said on facebook...I think the biggest shape issue is in the engine fairing for the AMK model... I know it is though to accept it, but it really is not THAT big issue.... if it even is one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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