madcop Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, shion said: One of those 46 stepped up recently elsewhere, pointing the fact he's still got no kit and no news, despite having contributed to a preorder to help a company, whereas some what he called "internet influencers" already got a kit for free. Eventhough his claim and anger were justifiable, instead of having info or clarification by the manufacturer, he rapidly became a target of personnal attacks (of the same kind we saw here). Shion,... it's been so long, still so accurate from what I can read ...! But in the fog everyone, me included, can go astray .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrysumner Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, GW8345 said: No offense but you missed a lot of posts. Yeah well.... I have a life outside of the forum and Facebook! I spend a lot of time keeping my son's memories alive.... Edited September 30, 2019 by terrysumner Spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, madmanrick said: Actually, those of us that preordered and paid were first. The Indiegogo thing came well after the initial preorders. Just sayin'. But tbh, I don't care if I get my kits first second or last, as long as I get my kits. Yeah, I think there were other ways to preorder before the indiegogo-thing. But afaik I have also paid for the kit when I preordered it through Indiegogo. Being two years ago now. I wouldn’t mind a little assurance that the kit will be sent anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, erik_g said: Yeah, I think there were other ways to preorder before the indiegogo-thing. But afaik I have also paid for the kit when I preordered it through Indiegogo. Being two years ago now. I wouldn’t mind a little assurance that the kit will be sent anyway. Not disputing that you should get what you paid for, just trying to be sure the record is correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Order Status: Confirmed & Ready to Ship Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/27/2019 at 1:41 PM, Sio said: And now, we upload pictures here directly? That could be helpful for me to upload F-104 designing pictures here. Just to help you guys a bit to reach 300 pages. To be honest even though that sounds like a good option on ARC the size restrictions suck. You have to resize photos to fit the parameters. Got sick of doing that to every picture I was trying to post. I understand why though. Probably much easier to stick with off site hosting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Manuel J. Armas S. said: Order Status: Confirmed & Ready to Ship Me too. It is so funny, I have paid more for shipping than for the kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: Talk on the street, or at the hobby shop for one. People still talk with each other around here. Glt What's a "hobby shop"? Oh wait, I remember now. I think we used to have some around here long ago. Its been so long now, I can hardly remember. Seriously though, glad to hear so many in the hobby are getting together and actually talking to each other. Strange that it took me by surprise. What comes from being a hermit for so long. Edited September 30, 2019 by Mstor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masanissa Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 hours ago, shion said: One of those 46 stepped up recently elsewhere, pointing the fact he's still got no kit and no news, despite having contributed to a preorder to help a company, whereas some what he called "internet influencers" already got a kit for free. Even though his claim and anger were justifiable, instead of having info or clarification by the manufacturer, he rapidly became a target of personnal attacks (of the same kind we saw here). I'm not angry. I am very disappointed. In August when I saw AMK's Facebook post showing the kits were boxed and being shipped to distributors I contacted them via Indiegogo and inquired about my kit. I received a reply that the kit would be shipped and I would get it by the end of August. Tick tock . . . . August came and went. Then social media sites started popping up showing the kit under construction. WOW!! They even gave it to a cute girl to build. Looks nice. (Girl and kit.) Still no kit on my end. I've been involved with Kickstarter Campaigns. Early adopters and investors are treated with respect because they took a risk, put up their money, and invested in your promise. Crowdfunding also allows a company to build a network of friends and loyal customers. In mid September I again contacted AMK and told them about my concerns. I also asked for a refund. Why not? AMK decided how they would value me as a customer. I never received a reply. I contacted them again when I noticed the kit was being sold at EDay and that there are eBay sellers offering the kit because they have it in stock. Yes, there are only 46 Indiegogo backers and an unknown number who pre-orderd the kit well over two years ago. I did become the target of personal attacks and was suspended for being a troll. (No need to litigate that here.) Some will take this post as bashing AMK. These are facts. I appreciate your post since it was factual. AMK has gone through trials and travails since 2015 to get this kit out. I applaud them for getting it made and I wish them great success with their endeavors. Competition's rough out there in the modeling world with so many manufacturers making the same subjects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, Solo said: Me too. It is so funny, I have paid more for shipping than for the kit. Mine, not yet. Of course I only made the preorder purchase a short while ago. I imagine there are a lot of orders ahead of me. Solo, what type of shipping did you opt for that it cost more than the kit? Extra super fast? I purchased a kit at Hobbyeasy last week and used the small packet tracked shipping option. Cheap. It got from Hong Kong to me in Milwaukee WI USA in three days. That's including USPS shipping it 100 miles in the wrong direction after it passed through customs. That's pretty darn fast in my book. Hope the F-14D is as fast, but I think it might have been a fluke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mstor said: Solo, what type of shipping did you opt for that it cost more than the kit? Extra super fast? I have no idea. HobbyEasy asked me to confirm my credit card data few days ago and now I see they charged my on 388 HKD. I hope this is some kind of fast, air shipping. When I ordered it 2,5 years ago, there was no shipping charges, because HE didn't know the weight of the package. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Well, this is ridiculous. 388HKD for shipment without tracking and on my own risk. 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Solo said: Well, this is ridiculous. 388HKD for shipment without tracking and on my own risk. 🙂 I made the order via surface with tracking, less expensive, of course more time to wait though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I had no chance to choice my shipping type, nobody asked me. Have no idea why. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Solo said: I had no chance to choice my shipping type, nobody asked me. Have no idea why. Parcel dimensions restrictions perhaps ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This is not so big parcel I suppose, only two boxes, not a big deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Solo said: Well, this is ridiculous. 388HKD for shipment without tracking and on my own risk. 🙂 I had a choice. Here's mine: About 135 HKD. Destination Milwaukee WI USA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Solo said: Well, this is ridiculous. 388HKD for shipment without tracking and on my own risk. 🙂 That's not quite $50 USD and quite ridiculous! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Obviously them aliens 👽 weren't any help and the kit wasn't fixed or released on time. Turns out they can't manipulate time because they don't even understand the concept of time. Having no concept of time (that and they don't eat or sleep), I figured they'd be perfect for casting parts (it's time consuming, repetitive and well, boring). I picked two and was escorting them out when the alarms started blasting and about a hundred armed MPs showed up Oh well, at least I got the shirt... On 9/29/2019 at 3:04 PM, GW8345 said: Back to the plastic I've only glanced through the instructions (they seem hard on the eyes to me). One thing builders should know is that they may want to skip using the upper bypass door supports (check your references). I don't know why, but this strut was eliminated at some point. From what I've seen most F-14D models don't have it. Perhaps GW or one of the Tomcat experts could shed some light on this. Regarding the instructions... Looking at the views provided for the decal charts, it appears that these drawings may have either been generated from the kit CAD model or they are the drawings the CAD model was based on (hips ✔️ canopy ✔️ other ❓...). More on that later, time permitting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, Zactoman said: I've only glanced through the instructions (they seem hard on the eyes to me). One thing builders should know is that they may want to skip using the upper bypass door supports (check your references). I don't know why, but this strut was eliminated at some point. From what I've seen most F-14D models don't have it. Perhaps GW or one of the Tomcat experts could shed some light on this. Regarding the instructions... Looking at the views provided for the decal charts, it appears that these drawings may have either been generated from the kit CAD model or they are the drawings the CAD model was based on (hips ✔️ canopy ✔️ other ❓...). More on that later, time permitting. About parts V29 and V30, I have seen this on some pics of early F-14As. See page 29 of the old Detail and Scale book, the top picture. You can see some sort of support that looks like it could be what AMK is representing. I don't have a lot of F-14D pics so don't know if this was something that was omitted in later versions. Oh, and bummer on the alien help. A shame they wouldn't let you take them home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Every F-14A/B Tomcat I worked on had the bypass brace, not sure about the F-14D but I would swear that they had them also. Part of my job when I was in VF-103 and VF-143 was to dive the intakes and check them for FOD, that included checking the top area of the ramps (when they were down) and there was a nut with a cotter pin that you had to verify was installed for that brace. I never dived the F-14D intakes but from what I remember they were identical to the F-14B's in every detail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 13 hours ago, madmanrick said: Not disputing that you should get what you paid for, just trying to be sure the record is correct. So do I. Since you emphasized "paid" I just wanted to set the record straight that we who backed on indiegogo also paid in advance. Anyway, I think it is a moot point whether we pre-ordered and paid in may or in september two years back. I think AMK should do anything they can to make sure we get our stuff ahead of those who ordered from any online store yesterday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 hours ago, madmanrick said: That's not quite $50 USD and quite ridiculous! Sure. I am afraid that shipping cost to Poland (my country) from many asian webstores risen dramatically in last months. Don't know why Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Matvey Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 There is a comparison between Tamiya (red line) and AMK instruction silhouettes that are actualy renders from 3D works. You can see the differences in side and top views. They are pretty similar exept nose section, which is noticeable "beefy" on AMK model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Quote Well the differences seem pretty small if those are in fact the actual shapes. The whole front section seems to meet the main fuselage at a slightly different angle, but the overall shapes seem very similar. I am relieved that the canopies seem to be the same size-I was quite concerned that the AMK version was too small. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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