GreyGhost Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Could this be a difference between a rebuild F-14D and a new build F-14D? -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 hours ago, erik_g said: So do I. Since you emphasized "paid" I just wanted to set the record straight that we who backed on indiegogo also paid in advance. Yes I am aware that those that participated in the Indiegogo paid in advance. I used "paid" as there was yet another preorder after the Indiegogo, where no money was requested upfront. I ordered another 3 kits at that time. The important thing to remember isn't when so and so put down money or how so and so put down money, but that there are people who have put down money, in good faith and they deserve some sort of bonus for sticking it out this long. Originally, the weapons kit was going to be the bonus for those that laid out money. However, it is my understanding that anyone who preorders paid or unpaid, is going to receive the weapons set. Maybe it was said that those that preordered and paid money were going to get an additional weapons set for each paid preorder? I also may have made that up, I can't keep it straight anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CKLoo Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Took me a while to get to page 252..... Hello from Malaysia. Looks like it will still be a frantic addition of many more pages now that the models are arriving at everyone's respective shores and proper eagle eyed and microscopic comparisons can be made. Some excellent technical observations here. Thanks a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Alex Matvey said: There is a comparison between Tamiya (red line) and AMK instruction silhouettes that are actualy renders from 3D works. You can see the differences in side and top views. They are pretty similar exept nose section, which is noticeable "beefy" on AMK model. Interesting but are you sure about that ? I have verified this for KH, HB/Trumpy and GWH who make the decal designs themselves but in the case of AMK it's Furball that did the decal design so things could have been different. In other words I think you may have done a Tamiya vs Furball overlay. Edited October 1, 2019 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeffreyK Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 54 minutes ago, CKLoo said: Took me a while to get to page 252..... Hello from Malaysia. Looks like it will still be a frantic addition of many more pages now that the models are arriving at everyone's respective shores and proper eagle eyed and microscopic comparisons can be made. Some excellent technical observations here. Thanks a lot. A voice of reason and sanity, skilfully bending out all the "noise" (other descriptions may apply 🙂 ) in between. Thank you J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Alex Matvey said: There is a comparison between Tamiya (red line) and AMK instruction silhouettes that are actualy renders from 3D works. You can see the differences in side and top views. They are pretty similar exept nose section, which is noticeable "beefy" on AMK model. :) no, no... canopy is wrong on AMK, they said.. you cannot build an AMK F-14, they said. AMK butt is tooooo big, they said.. 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Don't ever recall anyone saying you can't build it, but perhaps I missed that post. Also, a lot of assumptions about the way that drawing is set up. Not saying it's wrong or anything but it's hardly a direct lay-over of one image over another. Not arguing the point, just that it's not really proof of anything one way or another. And also to that point, I don't think AMK said they were making a model of the Tamiya F-14 instruction sheet drawing did they? So kind of pointless to compare it to that. Just my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Let Grumman build the real F-14 in 1/48 only then we will be satisfied 🙂 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, stalal said: Let Grumman build the real F-14 in 1/48 only then we will be satisfied 🙂 🙂 I'm good with that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 hours ago, GreyGhost said: Could this be a difference between a rebuild F-14D and a new build F-14D? -Gregg No, when A's became D(R)'s the forward fuselage was not changed beyond adding the necessary antennas and the addition of the TCS/IRST chin pod. It's likely simply a human error based on which drawing source the companies got their info from. It's known that Tamiya got the drawings from Grumman at least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neo Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 14 hours ago, GW8345 said: Every F-14A/B Tomcat I worked on had the bypass brace, not sure about the F-14D but I would swear that they had them also. Part of my job when I was in VF-103 and VF-143 was to dive the intakes and check them for FOD, that included checking the top area of the ramps (when they were down) and there was a nut with a cotter pin that you had to verify was installed for that brace. I never dived the F-14D intakes but from what I remember they were identical to the F-14B's in every detail. Interesting paradigm. Your job was to be a FOD to detect other FOD!! Sounds fun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 51 minutes ago, stalal said: Let Grumman build the real F-14 in 1/48 only then we will be satisfied 🙂 🙂 I doubt that! 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Alex Matvey said: There is a comparison between Tamiya (red line) and AMK instruction silhouettes that are actualy renders from 3D works. You can see the differences in side and top views. They are pretty similar exept nose section, which is noticeable "beefy" on AMK model. I doubt these are CAD renders. First because there look like the same drawings we saw years ago , I mean these ones: Then, because they look a lot like vector drawings made from Illustrator or Corel draw. Third because they're lacking a lot of 2nd order details. Fourth some lines don't correspond neither other CAD renders we saw either the kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
punder Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 hours ago, GW8345 said: Every F-14A/B Tomcat I worked on had the bypass brace, not sure about the F-14D but I would swear that they had them also. Part of my job when I was in VF-103 and VF-143 was to dive the intakes and check them for FOD, that included checking the top area of the ramps (when they were down) and there was a nut with a cotter pin that you had to verify was installed for that brace. I never dived the F-14D intakes but from what I remember they were identical to the F-14B's in every detail. Uh-oh. Has anybody checked the AMK model for that nut and cotter pin??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, punder said: Uh-oh. Has anybody checked the AMK model for that nut and cotter pin??? And what if we dont find it there? That means this AMK kit is no good!! Another reason to trash this kit and do 250 more pages 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Neo said: Interesting paradigm. Your job was to be a FOD to detect other FOD!! Sounds fun On the flight deck/flight line, everyone is FOD. The fun was being up inside the ramps when Airframes decides to put hydraulic power on the plane (once hydraulic power is applied, the ramps instantly retract unless the circuit breakers are pulled), you ever want to see someone move like lightning, watch them come shooting out of the ramps once they hear a Jenny fire up. :-D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, punder said: Uh-oh. Has anybody checked the AMK model for that nut and cotter pin??? Once you build the kit you can dive the intakes, make sure you check the first and second stage compressor blades, all the rivets in the intake for looseness, the ramp seals, the stub duct, the bullet, the engine inlet probe, the hydraulic actuators for ramps 1, 2, and 3, FOD check the interior of the ramps and the "shelf" and the bleed air exit door brace. Then get back to us and tell us if they got all that right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 hours ago, niart17 said: Don't ever recall anyone saying you can't build it, but perhaps I missed that post. Also, a lot of assumptions about the way that drawing is set up. Not saying it's wrong or anything but it's hardly a direct lay-over of one image over another. Not arguing the point, just that it's not really proof of anything one way or another. And also to that point, I don't think AMK said they were making a model of the Tamiya F-14 instruction sheet drawing did they? So kind of pointless to compare it to that. Just my opinion. Well said, and if you actually look at the two drawings, you can see the difference in the shape of the rear end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Now if you really want to be rivet count and nick-pick the kit, count the number of blades on the first stage compressor, if it ain't 32, it's wrong. (BTW - TF-30's had 28 first stage compressor blades) 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, GW8345 said: Now if you really want to be rivet count and nick-pick the kit, count the number of blades on the first stage compressor, if it ain't 32, it's wrong. (BTW - TF-30's had 28 first stage compressor blades) 😄 Oh, I will, I will!! If it isn't 32 it will be unbuildable for sure! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Jaw dropping built and model: 19 hours ago, Fishbone said: FINALLY, I've done all decals and stencil data, produced by Furball Aero-Design. The decals are one of the highest quality decals I have ever used - thin but tough with very minimum carrier films which you don't even have to worry about silvering problems. Resin wheel from Def.Model, Korea. Pitot & AoA from Master, pl. Figures: ZLPLA 즐프라 & Reedoak (Not in photos) Deck: HobbyWorld ESP / Phoenix Model (Not in photos) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Looks like a tomcat to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Whiskey said: Looks like a tomcat to me. WORD! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, GW8345 said: Now if you really want to be rivet count and nick-pick the kit, count the number of blades on the first stage compressor, if it ain't 32, it's wrong. (BTW - TF-30's had 28 first stage compressor blades) Flashback to when I made the fan for my 1/32 Su-27 intakes: I asked the question "Why 23 blades??? Why not 24, or 22?" I got an answer of " If you mean why there are an uneven number of blades in the compressor hub, it's because if one blade dislodges or brakes away from the hub during rotation the rotating assembly becomes unbalanced putting a huge strain on a blade that would be 180 degrees across from the missing blade position, so that's why there are two blades across from each single blade position, the strain is taken up by two instead of one . I hope this explains it. Oh, by the way I build jet engines for a living !" I accepted the answer but thinking about it now, would it even matter if the hub was unbalanced? I'd think the broken blade would destroy the whole engine anyway. Interesting though that U.S. is even and Russia is odd... 22 hours ago, GW8345 said: Every F-14A/B Tomcat I worked on had the bypass brace, not sure about the F-14D but I would swear that they had them also. Part of my job when I was in VF-103 and VF-143 was to dive the intakes and check them for FOD, that included checking the top area of the ramps (when they were down) and there was a nut with a cotter pin that you had to verify was installed for that brace. I never dived the F-14D intakes but from what I remember they were identical to the F-14B's in every detail. I mostly based my 1/32 intakes on the F-14D Christine which is an upgraded F-14A and does not have the bypass brace or mounting hardware for it. What I didn't notice was the circular plug on the part the strut passes through. I wasn't aware of the strut being used on earlier models until after I had finished my intakes. At that point I did some research (searching the internet and looking at pics) and found that the majority of F-14D pics, where that detail can be seen, didn't have the strut but found no answers as to why. I did however find some F-14Ds with the strut. I checked some bureau numbers and found that one without the strut was an early D so assume that the majority don't have it. Here are a few pics showing the D without the strut: https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Navy/Grumman-F-14D-Tomcat/1045239/L (does this air-frame look familiar? Check your references!) https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Navy/Grumman-F-14D-R-Tomcat/1045449/L https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Navy/Grumman-F-14D-Tomcat/1044516/L http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle4/f-14d_161159/index.php?Page=2 And here's one (I don't know if this is an F-14D) with no strut but without the hole plugged: Bigger pic available HERE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mstor said: Oh, I will, I will!! If it isn't 32 it will be unbuildable for sure! Not sure where the thought came about that if someone points out a mistake on a kit that means they are saying its unbuildable. It is what it is, that's all Edited October 2, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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