DIO Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mstor said: Even if that were true, what difference does it make? The difference is that this kind of "mistakes" exist for every single model and they have been over exaggerated for this particular one for hundreds and hundreds of pages. Having said that though I acknowledge that there are issues with his model. It is definitely not the perfect model we expected after 3 years of wait, but maybe close enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 9:50 PM, Zactoman said: Photobucket () is back up. For those who may have missed my previous post, I included links to various posts highlighting many of the problems discovered with the kit: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/285277-amk-148-f-14/&do=findComment&comment=2984863 Despite the problems with the kit, it can be built up to be a very nice looking model as Paulo has shown. It seems that everything is 1mm for you. I'd recommend asking Santa for a new pair of calipers . It doesn't take much for certain shapes to look wrong and 1mm can make a huge difference in certain circumstances. In the case of the fwd fuselage I only took a few dimensions and it was as much as .085"/2.16mm wide. It is .061"/1.55mm over in height at the radome and even thicker further back. So yes, for those familiar with the Tomcat it may well look fat. Side-by-side with other kits it will look fat even to those not familiar with the Tomcat. ________________________________________ Sorry for my absence of late. Building a new computer has proven to be more challenging than I expected . I should stick to models... Cheers and Merry Christmas to all of you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Tapchan said: BAHAHA!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Tapchan said: is it getting hotter in here ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masanissa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Measuring the AMK F-14D and then showing how those measurements stack up against the dimensional shapes of a real F-14D is not a personal attack upon AMK as a company. No one is punching Baby Yoda in the face. AMK is free to make more kits and sell them. You can now make a very informed decision if the AMK, Tamiya, Academy, Hobby Boss, Monogram or soon to be Great Wall Hobby F-14 is for you. Does Frog make an F-14? yummy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Didn't realize the AMK F-14 Tomcat is a political issue but I guess nothing really surprised me anymore around these parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I think this thread just entered the Twilight Zone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, DIO said: The difference is that this kind of "mistakes" exist for every single model and they have been over exaggerated for this particular one for hundreds and hundreds of pages. Having said that though I acknowledge that there are issues with his model. It is definitely not the perfect model we expected after 3 years of wait, but maybe close enough. You can take or leave the analysis. It represents what is seen in this kit. They are not "over exaggerated", they are simple observations of what is seen. Statements of fact. As such they are neither good or bad, but presented for the potential buyer to help determine if they wish to buy this kit and if so, what they can expect when they do. And yes, after three years of wait it is definitely not the perfect model that was promised. Whether it is close enough is up to you, but now you can make an informed decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 10:41 AM, Mstor said: That's because it is fat. Just because the Navy has a weight issue, that’s no reason to fat shame them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, DIO said: ....Yes, it definitely looks like it. And even if he is right, his repitiveness really spoils his own reputation. ...The difference is that this kind of "mistakes" exist for every single model and they have been over exaggerated for this particular one for hundreds and hundreds of pages... Having said that though I acknowledge that there are issues with his model. It is definitely not the perfect model we expected after 3 years of wait, but maybe close enough. Wow, you guys are now getting delusional over this. You do realize Zacto does make correction sets for a great many model kits? It's nothing to do with BASHING a kit, it's called presenting accurate findings to evaluate a model. This model has been on the radar for a lot of people and has generated a lot of chatter for the many years it's been announced and in production. I can't speak for him but that's likely the only reason Chris has taken to finding out what the errors are, and coming up with potential fixes. If you're not happy with what this process is then I suggest you perhaps ignore it. But to come in here and attack a very honest and well meaning member of the model community is out of line. And if you guys and your very juvenile attack on Zacto means he ceases to post his findings here then you've really done a disservice. If anything the only people that sound like they have a personal vendetta against anyone lately is you guys. I'm really disappointed that I read that and I personally think you guys owe Chris an apology. Though I doubt you will. Bill Edited December 26, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, niart17 said: Wow, you guys are now getting delusional over this. You do realize Zacto does make correction sets for a great many model kits? It's nothing to do with BASHING a kit, it's called presenting accurate findings to evaluate a model. This model has been on the radar for a lot of people and has generated a lot of chatter for the many years it's been announced and in production. I can't speak for him but that's likely the only reason Chris has taken to finding out what the errors are, and coming up with potential fixes. If you're not happy with what this process is then I suggest you perhaps ignore it. But to come in here and attack a very honest and well meaning member of the model community is out of line. And if you guys and your very juvenile attack on Zacto means he ceases to post his findings here then you've really done a disservice. If anything the only people that sound like they have a personal vendetta against anyone lately is you guys. I'm really disappointed that I read that and I personally think you guys owe Chris an apology. Though I doubt you will. Bill I wouldn't have made the same comments if the same people didn't come back with the same negativity everytime that this post turned to any different direction. Issues or non-issue issues have been pointed out again and again and again for literally hundreds of pages. So I really don't think anyone will stop finding something to say about this kit. Negative comments will continue and those annoyed from this unfair repeatition will continue challenging them. There is still a very long way to go until either get bored or "inspired" by another "best" model. GWH F-14 should be on the make??? Edited December 26, 2019 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 11 hours ago, habu2 said: is it getting hotter in here ? Greta Thunberg is hot. 10 hours ago, masanissa said: No one is punching Baby Yoda in the face But I gladly would... 21 minutes ago, DIO said: I wouldn't have made the same comments if the same people didn't come back with the same negativity everytime that this post turned to any different direction. Oh, Lord... Could you be just a tad more thick? One thing you don't quite get, Dio, is that there's a HUGE difference between the negativity on comments coming from people judging the awful shape issues in the "AMK-flop-of-a-kit" by just staring at pictures of that kit on a forum - like me, for instance - and the negative comments regarding the shape issues in that kit posted by one skilled demi-God - like Mr Chris Wilson , for instance - who has literally taken the kit under the microscope! Having Zactoman analyse the issues in the AMK kit is the same as having Mr Tamiya telling you what the issues are in the AMK flunk; I mean, kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, DIO said: I wouldn't have made the same comments if the same people didn't come back with the same negativity everytime that this post turned to any different direction. How Pavlovian of you.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Tank said: Just because the Navy has a weight issue, that’s no reason to fat shame them. Oh goodness. I really didn't mean to fat shame the Navy. That was heartless and cruel of me. I have a container of left over spaghetti in the fridge and I'm going to get it out and self-flagellate until my back is, is... ah... until my back is... hmmm? Moist? That's it, moist! Then I will have atoned for my transgressions. (hope I don't have to use all my left over spaghetti) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, habu2 said: How Pavlovian of you.... Well, yes; but I wouldn't have said "Pavlovian" but more like "McGoo" instead... It's the same people who will refuse to accept the fact that the AMK kit is indeed cactus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 So.....300....are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Who cares! Who cares! Who cares! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Grinch! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Proud to be; I'm a Grinch, very-very... At war with life, in general. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Tank said: Just because the Navy has a weight issue, that’s no reason to fat shame them. The Tomcat wouldn’t exist at all if it weren’t for “weight issues”..... https://theaviationgeekclub.com/there-isnt-enough-thrust-in-all-christendom-to-make-a-navy-fighter-out-of-that-airplane-how-f-111bs-death-led-to-the-birth-of-the-iconic-f-14-tomcat/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrea Bolla Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Santa brought a new caliper (digital one) and friend offered his unbuilt HB for comparison: AMK nosecone fits quite well to HB fuselage beside different top joint line while AMK is slightly wider (0.6mm) from boarding ladder. I'm planning to fix the IFR angle: Rear fuselage are almost the same dimension with a slight different curve shape, still thinking about fixing the cross section in an easy way... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Umm, comparing AMK to HobbyBoss only shows similarity not accuracy. (apologies for using HobbyBoss and Accuracy in the same sentence) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joscasle Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 2 hours ago, habu2 said: Umm, comparing AMK to HobbyBoss only shows similarity not accuracy. (apologies for using HobbyBoss and Accuracy in the same sentence) jejejeje well no more HB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 hours ago, habu2 said: How Pavlovian of you.... Sorry, not an English native speaker, therefore not able to understand your comment. Can I feel proud for being Pavlovian???? 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Andrea Bolla said: Santa brought a new caliper (digital one) and friend offered his unbuilt HB for comparison: AMK nosecone fits quite well to HB fuselage beside different top joint line while AMK is slightly wider (0.6mm) from boarding ladder. I'm planning to fix the IFR angle: Rear fuselage are almost the same dimension with a slight different curve shape, still thinking about fixing the cross section in an easy way... This is very interesting. Keep them comming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.