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You guys might not be losing sleep over the Tomcat, but I sure did, when this was published last night.. 
http://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/index.html
 

Why oh why did I stay up reading about AWG-9 in the middle of the night.. dead tired now.. 


It´s the OTHER Tomcat I have pre-ordered.... :-D

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Thanks for posting that; should be interesting reading. I know that the heatblur f14 is only a sim, but I think i have already learnt so much about the f14 just from watching the pre-release videos; particularly as to just how lethal the aim54 actually was.

 

Regarding the AMK f14, it seems to me that the error on the 'hips' wasn't so much the actual top-down view, but rather the cross section, which made it look too curvy fro certain angles-have a look at Dave-Roof's comparison of the actual planform views with other manufacturers. That being said, I would have thought that the correction would be quite straightforward since it would mean removing material from the mould.

Anyways, if nothing else I am looking forward to using this kit for the wings and lowered landing gear-should still be cheaper than the resin set of wings plus a bunch of spares.

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On 2/9/2019 at 6:54 PM, Sonoran said:

Exactly.  People with no lives other than sitting at their computers.

 

eusa_naughty.gif More like people who were AWFULLY! disappointed in bloody AMK, their sheer incompetence, rookie-level of comms and stupid promises which they couldn't even keep. They're completely done for as kit manufacturers, gladly.

You should speak just for yourself, dude. The silly thing they're doing over at Facebook is just a token of their immaturity. 

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1 hour ago, Doppelgänger said:

 

eusa_naughty.gif More like people who were AWFULLY! disappointed in bloody AMK, their sheer incompetence, rookie-level of comms and stupid promises which they couldn't even keep. They're completely done for as kit manufacturers, gladly.

You should speak just for yourself, dude. The silly thing they're doing over at Facebook is just a token of their immaturity. 

 

I must ask, what is your personal issue with AMK? Did you preorder (prepay?) for the kit? Why do you spend so much time and effort trying to make other people dislike AMK?

 

I preordered but I did not prepay. If the kit never sees the light of day, my life goes on unaffected. I couldn’t care less what AMK says, does, or markets. But it’s fascinating to me that you personally cannot tolerate anyone liking, or being patient with, AMK.  Just trying to understand your frustration with those who don’t share your hatred for AMK. 

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7 hours ago, erik_g said:

You guys might not be losing sleep over the Tomcat, but I sure did, when this was published last night.. 
http://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/index.html
 

Why oh why did I stay up reading about AWG-9 in the middle of the night.. dead tired now.. 


It´s the OTHER Tomcat I have pre-ordered.... 😄

 

That's a very interesting document. Thanks for posting that. Lots of close ups of instruments. I really cant tell if this is something based off original F-14B docs or something Heatblur put together using computer generated images for the cockpit stuff. Computer generated images are becoming indistinguishable from reality.

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3 hours ago, dryguy said:

Anyways, if nothing else I am looking forward to using this kit for the wings and lowered landing gear-should still be cheaper than the resin set of wings plus a bunch of spares.

 

I had this thought too. Get the kit and if I don't like what they did or didn't do with the fuselage, use the wings for a Tamiya F-14D. Like you said, probably cheaper than the aftermarket resin wings. I have those wings for my Tamiya F-14A. They ARE very nice, but there are some minor fit issues with thee slats and flaps. Plus they don't have positionable spoilers.

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On 2/9/2019 at 3:54 PM, Sonoran said:

Exactly.  People with no lives other than sitting at their computers.

 

Actually, for some of us disabled, sitting in front of the computer IS a big part of our lives. It provides a means of socialization when we can't get out and be with people like we used to be able to. I know it sounds sad. Don't need no ones pity. It just how life is.

I know what you were trying to say and for most people I would agree with your statement. Just think before you post blanket generalizations. That should go for everyone here.

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36 minutes ago, Mstor said:

 

Actually, for some of us disabled, sitting in front of the computer IS a big part of our lives. It provides a means of socialization when we can't get out and be with people like we used to be able to. I know it sounds sad. Don't need no ones pity. It just how life is.

I know what you were trying to say and for most people I would agree with your statement. Just think before you post blanket generalizations. That should go for everyone here.

 

Very well said.

 

I would have preferred just hit a "like" button, so I've entered a post.

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49 minutes ago, Mstor said:

 

Actually, for some of us disabled, sitting in front of the computer IS a big part of our lives. It provides a means of socialization when we can't get out and be with people like we used to be able to. I know it sounds sad. Don't need no ones pity. It just how life is.

I know what you were trying to say and for most people I would agree with your statement. Just think before you post blanket generalizations. That should go for everyone here.

 

Extraordinarily well said - a sincere and valid point made without vitriol, condescension or hypersensitive defensiveness! 

Could it be that we are finally learning how to best use the internet?  Thank you Mr. Mstor! 

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I think everybody's taking this a little too seriously,  after all, we are only talking about a model kit.

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4 hours ago, Doppelgänger said:

 

eusa_naughty.gif More like people who were AWFULLY! disappointed in bloody AMK, their sheer incompetence, rookie-level of comms and stupid promises which they couldn't even keep. They're completely done for as kit manufacturers, gladly.

You should speak just for yourself, dude. The silly thing they're doing over at Facebook is just a token of their immaturity. 

Time for your medication.

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1 hour ago, B.Sin said:

I think everybody's taking this a little too seriously,  after all, we are only talking about a model kit.

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On 2/9/2019 at 1:54 PM, Sonoran said:

 

Exactly.  People with no lives other than sitting at their computers.



Feel free to excuse yourself then. 

 

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4 hours ago, Mstor said:

I really cant tell if this is something based off original F-14B docs or something Heatblur put together using computer generated images for the cockpit stuff.

 

Ralfidude's first Youtube stream on the forthcoming Tomcat featured one of the Heatblur developers and this was discussed.

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6 hours ago, jester292 said:

I must ask, what is your personal issue with AMK? Did you preorder (prepay?) for the kit? Why do you spend so much time and effort trying to make other people dislike AMK?

 

 

I must ask, what is your personal issue with AMK? Did you preorder (prepay?) for the kit? Why do you spend so much time and effort trying to make other people dislike AMK?

 

My perswonal issue with AMK is that I dislike their lying about everything related to us as modellers; back in time they've lied that they were working on a living sample of the SuE in an Argentine naval base (possibly Commander Espora Base), gathering all the required info in order to deliver "THE MOTHER OF ALL SuEs", in the time the Heller 1/48 kit was the only game in town.

No sooner than Kinetic beat them to it we had lies from AMK stating that the project was mysteriously shelved (yeah, right... :rolleyes:)

Next time it was EXACTLY the same with their promised "BEST FOXBAT KIT EVER"; guess what? Kitty Hawk beat them to it once again, so they forgot about their silly promises even though the Kitty Hawk kit was mediocre (but beat them to it with the scale?) :doh:

It doesn't come as a surprise AT ALL that AMK were backpedalling miserably about their promised "Super-Arch-Mega F-14 kit" after Tamiya had beaten them to it - TWICE!  :rofl:Not a much more serious company is to beat them to it -

It doesn't quite matter whether I pre-paid or not, as much as I couldn't care less than a rat's arse whether other modellers on here might dislike AMK or not. I speak for myself, and nobody else.

 

6 hours ago, jester292 said:

I couldn’t care less what AMK says, does, or markets. But it’s fascinating to me that you personally cannot tolerate anyone liking, or being patient with, AMK.  Just trying to understand your frustration with those who don’t share your hatred for AMK. 

 

My problem is not with anyone who likes AMK; not at all, even though I'm quite sure that if AMK ever thought about pulling off the pre-order option, it was surely owing to the great amount of modellers polishing their knob, going like: "Oh, yes; IF AMK release an F-14 kit in the level of quality of their MiG-31, THEN I'll pee on my pants just out of thrill and excitement!" 

Well, you can see many of those same modellers on here who've changed their minds lately regarding AMK because of all this (you know who you are). And could you ever blame them? I can't.

So, Jester, please don't give me the sorry line that you couldn't care less what AMK says, does, or markets when you chose to support AMK on their stupid pre-order prerrogative: "Uh... listen up, sports. IF we can secure a 5000-pre-order mark, THEN we are gonna be given the green light" 'cause I think I'm gonna be more prone to believe if you say that the Earth is flat. 

Any other manufacturers have ever asked to pre-order in order to start development? Any other manufacturer that you recall of pulling this idiot private club on Facebook, threatening not to share their info outside that platform lest you'd be banned?

I did think of ever doing that not even when I used to play Counter Strike online! Really immature of them.

It's my own belief, and I don't expect to cause any sensation with it.

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Why did they unlock this?

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1 hour ago, Doppelgänger said:

 

 

 

My perswonal issue with AMK is that I dislike their lying about everything related to us as modellers; back in time they've lied that they were working on a living sample of the SuE in an Argentine naval base (possibly Commander Espora Base), gathering all the required info in order to deliver "THE MOTHER OF ALL SuEs", in the time the Heller 1/48 kit was the only game in town.

No sooner than Kinetic beat them to it we had lies from AMK stating that the project was mysteriously shelved (yeah, right... :rolleyes:)

Next time it was EXACTLY the same with their promised "BEST FOXBAT KIT EVER"; guess what? Kitty Hawk beat them to it once again, so they forgot about their silly promises even though the Kitty Hawk kit was mediocre (but beat them to it with the scale?) :doh:

It doesn't come as a surprise AT ALL that AMK were backpedalling miserably about their promised "Super-Arch-Mega F-14 kit" after Tamiya had beaten them to it - TWICE!  :rofl:Not a much more serious company is to beat them to it -

It doesn't quite matter whether I pre-paid or not, as much as I couldn't care less than a rat's arse whether other modellers on here might dislike AMK or not. I speak for myself, and nobody else.

 

 

My problem is not with anyone who likes AMK; not at all, even though I'm quite sure that if AMK ever thought about pulling off the pre-order option, it was surely owing to the great amount of modellers polishing their knob, going like: "Oh, yes; IF AMK release an F-14 kit in the level of quality of their MiG-31, THEN I'll pee on my pants just out of thrill and excitement!" 

Well, you can see many of those same modellers on here who've changed their minds lately regarding AMK because of all this (you know who you are). And could you ever blame them? I can't.

So, Jester, please don't give me the sorry line that you couldn't care less what AMK says, does, or markets when you chose to support AMK on their stupid pre-order prerrogative: "Uh... listen up, sports. IF we can secure a 5000-pre-order mark, THEN we are gonna be given the green light" 'cause I think I'm gonna be more prone to believe if you say that the Earth is flat. 

Any other manufacturers have ever asked to pre-order in order to start development? Any other manufacturer that you recall of pulling this idiot private club on Facebook, threatening not to share their info outside that platform lest you'd be banned?

I did think of ever doing that not even when I used to play Counter Strike online! Really immature of them.

It's my own belief, and I don't expect to cause any sensation with it.

 

 

Breath :) 

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1 hour ago, Doppelgänger said:

 

 

 

My perswonal issue with AMK is that I dislike their lying about everything related to us as modellers; back in time they've lied that they were working on a living sample of the SuE in an Argentine naval base (possibly Commander Espora Base), gathering all the required info in order to deliver "THE MOTHER OF ALL SuEs", in the time the Heller 1/48 kit was the only game in town.

No sooner than Kinetic beat them to it we had lies from AMK stating that the project was mysteriously shelved (yeah, right... :rolleyes:)

Next time it was EXACTLY the same with their promised "BEST FOXBAT KIT EVER"; guess what? Kitty Hawk beat them to it once again, so they forgot about their silly promises even though the Kitty Hawk kit was mediocre (but beat them to it with the scale?) :doh:

It doesn't come as a surprise AT ALL that AMK were backpedalling miserably about their promised "Super-Arch-Mega F-14 kit" after Tamiya had beaten them to it - TWICE!  :rofl:Not a much more serious company is to beat them to it -

It doesn't quite matter whether I pre-paid or not, as much as I couldn't care less than a rat's arse whether other modellers on here might dislike AMK or not. I speak for myself, and nobody else.

 

 

My problem is not with anyone who likes AMK; not at all, even though I'm quite sure that if AMK ever thought about pulling off the pre-order option, it was surely owing to the great amount of modellers polishing their knob, going like: "Oh, yes; IF AMK release an F-14 kit in the level of quality of their MiG-31, THEN I'll pee on my pants just out of thrill and excitement!" 

Well, you can see many of those same modellers on here who've changed their minds lately regarding AMK because of all this (you know who you are). And could you ever blame them? I can't.

So, Jester, please don't give me the sorry line that you couldn't care less what AMK says, does, or markets when you chose to support AMK on their stupid pre-order prerrogative: "Uh... listen up, sports. IF we can secure a 5000-pre-order mark, THEN we are gonna be given the green light" 'cause I think I'm gonna be more prone to believe if you say that the Earth is flat. 

Any other manufacturers have ever asked to pre-order in order to start development? Any other manufacturer that you recall of pulling this idiot private club on Facebook, threatening not to share their info outside that platform lest you'd be banned?

I did think of ever doing that not even when I used to play Counter Strike online! Really immature of them.

It's my own belief, and I don't expect to cause any sensation with it.

 

Your anger is epic. I haven’t sent them money, but even if I had it would be entirely my choice. I just have too many other priorities to be wound up over the marketing campaign of a model airplane company. Ultimately I was wondering why you’re so mad at them. Thanks for the answer but I still don’t see why it’s taken personally. 

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On 2/8/2019 at 3:53 AM, dylan said:

I can already see the transition from the vertical portion to the area sloping up towards the vertical stab has not been fixed. Sio says that they have made some changes, but the whole shape is still very off IMO.

I agree that it is still off. I hoped to put together some illustrations accompanied with photos to show the problems that I see, but I've been too busy.

The way I see it in order to truly fix the problems they would need to re-tool both upper and lower fuselage halves, the stabs and the rear exhaust cover pieces as the fairing on those parts is the wrong profile.

This would be expensive and time consuming so they seem to have decided to just add the bump (which I question the shape of).

In the end it looks like we'll get a kit that with some elbow grease, sandpaper and putty, could be fixed if the modeler cares enough.

 

On 2/8/2019 at 10:11 PM, dylan said:

I am posting these mostly for the guys that are not on Facebook, and also for discussion.

Thank you from someone not on Facebook. :thumbsup:

Seems silly to exclude the majority of the modeling community and potential customers from updates of a kit that they got everybody hyped about.

 

On 2/8/2019 at 10:11 PM, dylan said:

I will take a few shots of the Tamiya kit from similar angles later.

Looking forward to the comparison. It's unfortunate that the rear exhaust cover pieces weren't included on the updated photos.

 

4 hours ago, gtypecanare said:

Edited 4 hours ago by gtypecanare
coding

As in "Learn to code"? :coolio:

 

51 minutes ago, Geoff M said:

Why did they unlock this?

This is the most replied to subject on the ARC jet modeling forum as well as the second most viewed. It has been the most hyped kit release for what seems like years.

The thread was unlocked so we could discuss the kit development and related issues. Yes, some tend to get a little overly emotional (to whom I suggest watching the "Stay on target" video posted above...), but they are still discussing related issues. Nobody is forcing you to read their comments.

 

:cheers:

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I find this thread fascinating.  I have been exposed to more 'inside baseball" about the scale plastic modeling industry than in most years combined by this one thread (thanks goes to all of of the ARC community for this).

 

Sure there are some a$$-hat comments, of which one or two could be attributable to me, but overall, it has been quite educational.  I do understand when things get political, the thread (deservedly so) gets a "go sit in the corner" moment. And I  fully support when a 'industry parter" asks, that the thread is re-opened.  Hopefully it will stay that way until the kit is released. 

 

Indeed, it is just a plastic kit, but when we see the promise that was delivered with the MiG-31, a number of us that had put faith (and hard earned cash, into unscrupulous online hobby stores) into AMK's word of the "best ever", it had a level of authenticity to it. All while blindly ignoring both their SuE and Kfir "issue".  As an aside, this is reminiscent of the original lily drone, (which one of my friends did invest in).

 

I still hope AMK knocks the ball out of the park on this.  But, even though I was "in for three" with victory models (given AMK's price point), i suspect that I will be putting cash in GWH's hands, when all is said and done.  

 

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17 hours ago, erik_g said:

You guys might not be losing sleep over the Tomcat, but I sure did, when this was published last night.. 
http://www.heatblur.se/F-14Manual/index.html
 

Why oh why did I stay up reading about AWG-9 in the middle of the night.. dead tired now.. 


It´s the OTHER Tomcat I have pre-ordered.... 😄

I wouldn't believe everything you read in that link, I read a few things in that link and there are numerous errors.

 

For one, the F-14 never carried the "Smokewinder" and the only time it carried Mk 81's was in the early 70's during testing. The Tomcat also never carried the Mk 82AIR, the F-14B could only carry 4 Mk 20 Rockeye's, not 10 (which they are claiming), nor could did it carry Zuni's (and you would NEVER put a rocket pod on the belly, that's a sure fire way to get a compressor stall!), we also didn't carry the BDU-33 (we carried Mk 76's)

 

It also stated that the wing station Phoenix's had their own cooling system, this is wrong, the wing Phoenix's were dependent on the cooling system in the right hand Phoenix Fairing. The gun held 678 rounds and (as I just stated) the Phoenix cooling system (for the F-14A and B) was contained in the right hand Phoenix Faring, the left hand Faring was for aerodynamic purposes only.

 

Also, their weapons loading diagram is a farce!!!!

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1 hour ago, GW8345 said:

I wouldn't believe everything you read in that link, I read a few things in that link and there are numerous errors.

 

For one, the F-14 never carried the "Smokewinder" and the only time it carried Mk 81's was in the early 70's during testing. The Tomcat also never carried the Mk 82AIR, the F-14B could only carry 4 Mk 20 Rockeye's, not 10 (which they are claiming), nor could did it carry Zuni's (and you would NEVER put a rocket pod on the belly, that's a sure fire way to get a compressor stall!), we also didn't carry the BDU-33 (we carried Mk 76's)

 

It also stated that the wing station Phoenix's had their own cooling system, this is wrong, the wing Phoenix's were dependent on the cooling system in the right hand Phoenix Fairing. The gun held 678 rounds and (as I just stated) the Phoenix cooling system (for the F-14A and B) was contained in the right hand Phoenix Faring, the left hand Faring was for aerodynamic purposes only.

 

Also, their weapons loading diagram is a farce!!!!

 

 

If there is one thing i learned in this hobby, it's NEVER say never.

 

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39 minutes ago, SpiritZeroThree said:

 

 

If there is one thing i learned in this hobby, it's NEVER say never.

 

aircraft_46.jpg

That is not a Mk 82AIR, that is a Mk 83 Mod 4 with a BSU-85/B. The Mk 82AIR is a 500 lb bomb, the above is a 1,000 lb bomb.

 

The USN/USMC has not used the Mk 82AIR in 40+ years, it is only used by the USAF in America.

 

V/R

A retired Tomcat Ordie.

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GW knows his stuff for sure! Great picture btw!

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