Jump to content
ARC Discussion Forums
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
Jennings

AMK 1/48 F-14!!!

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Mstor said:

Coarse? Not sure what that means. Do you mean crude, unrefined, lacking in sophistication?

 

Yes, you are right, those are much better phrases.

Tamiya's F-14 is just very spohisticated set, with beautiful, very fine and crisp details and panel lines.

AMK's one on those pictures very differs from that, looks jut like poor cousin of Japan masterpiece.

I only hope those are just only pictures and real model will be much more similar to Tamiya's one.

If not, AMK will really dissapoint me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's something about the blast port that looks off, like it's too high up on the airframe, that it does not line up with the bulge on the gun panel.

 

And agree with Solo, the overall model doesn't look "crisp", the cockpit/seats look crude.

 

Just my $.02, ymmv

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More pics: 

 

 

65491677_2366034873456707_58321744796560

 

65728168_2366034993456695_75651481366796

 

65260444_2366035280123333_79271383656174

 

65225795_2366035423456652_45098607190254

 

64923651_2366035606789967_84428511047812

 

65157725_2366035736789954_64618919803213

 

65237115_2366035860123275_53813040085163

 

65629270_2366036006789927_50914082502056

 

62235357_2366036206789907_41347917778004

 

65644826_2366036336789894_82182084882459

 

65451704_2366036466789881_37096545259052

 

some pics of transparencies:

 

65303974_2366038390123022_55608454483542

 

65392344_2366038523456342_19755186893860

 

65251535_2366039090122952_77830555186453

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
23 hours ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:

It is what it is...but it doesn't appear the shape issue aft was fixed. 

I'll still carry through with my two that I committed to buying years ago...but I can't help but feel a bit ...off. 

You're right, same ol' fat arse.....There is just no spark upon looking at the pictures/model, so I'm not buyin'.

Edited by flybywire

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

I have compared shapes of model (top view) with F-14 photo, looks like arse and hips are a bit fat, worst thing is that top of the jet intakes is way too long, which makes the front fuselage look short and bulky. Front fuselage itself also look a bit too thick.

Edited by Tapchan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Soooo nothing. You've fixed nothing.

 

 

Will the wings fit the academy kit?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

more pics this time sharper: 

 

 

 

 

65300573_2400719269994452_66370516129194

 

65393750_2400719423327770_68052010213719

 

65290684_2400719593327753_14682297382993

 

65967472_2400781333321579_25140437436155

 

65490380_2400781476654898_49284920833097

 

65506337_2400781616654884_31731287231173

 

65781323_2400781696654876_19749732113595

 

65729794_2400781869988192_13110322086889

 

65604215_2401055096627536_87073391980734

 

65526507_2401055193294193_20948219329972

 

65461654_2401055296627516_89434874521740

 

65306212_2401055469960832_80709007135400

 

65648575_2401055543294158_43134451601354

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am really really really excited, I will have so much fun with this kit 🙂

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They did not correct the IFR probe placement. Oh well. There are some things that are very nice about the kit though. There IS a lot of detail. The three piece canopy looks very nice and appears to have the correct cross section, something that has been lacking in most models of aircraft with "blown" canopies.  Considering what AMK has shown that can be done with the advances in molding technologies and innovative design, I am looking forward to seeing what GWH comes up with. Would be nice if they could match the innovations in molding with a more overall accurate kit.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Mstor said:

The three piece canopy looks very nice and appears to have the correct cross section

I'm still curious to see a clear picture (without glare) of the windscreen showing the framing and how the front corner panes look.

After the Trumpeter/HB releases I'm also curious to see the Phoenix pallets and how the front section looks, especially mounted on the fuselage.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On the clean wing   option, I notice that the spoilers don't sit in the same position as on the Tamya kit.

 I remember reading Tamiya received praise for getting this detail right. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, B.Sin said:

On the clean wing   option, I notice that the spoilers don't sit in the same position as on the Tamya kit.

 I remember reading Tamiya received praise for getting this detail right. 

 

Wow, you're right. Missed that. Good catch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Waiting all these years, and still, very noticeable mistakes. The refueling bay position is the most noticeable.😟  Even Hobbyboss got that one right!  I'm more then a little disappointed.  I assume the long delay was because AMK was retooling to  correct those errors, yet the  engineering of this kit look's great. Well, their's 

always GWH's F-14.

Edited by B.Sin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There are more noticeable mistakes.

 

See here: all pics are cliquable.

 

65300573_2400719269994452_66370516129194

 

Relative position of the intake lips /fuselage, take the reinforcement plate as reference.

 

On a real F-14:

 

021211-N-1761L-503.jpg

 

So either intakes are too long, either cockpit part is too short.

 

And maybe more noticeable,  exhausts fans:

 

65160186_205068607124451_127798961653153

 

 

 

This is how it supposed to look in idle/off mode:

 

f110-ge-100_f-16_13_of_17.jpg

 

723px-F110-IHI-129_01.jpg

 

And the AB mode exhausts aren't better:

 

65243582_205068380457807_108355114705197

 

file.php?id=74&t=1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, shion said:

There are more noticeable mistakes.

 

See here: all pics are cliquable.

 

65300573_2400719269994452_66370516129194

 

Relative position of the intake lips /fuselage, take the reinforcement plate as reference.

 

On a real F-14:

 

021211-N-1761L-503.jpg

 

So either intakes are too long, either cockpit part is too short.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c9VbWIFJnTH73NYJRP55QolDuk2TYj7O/view?usp=sharing

 

If you have photoshop then get to top layer and play with switching opacity. You'll see the differences. However I compared it with F-14A, but as far as I know there should be no major differences except engine nozzles and beaver tail shape. The photo with model is a bit angled thus right side of plane is not comparable.

 

PS. Pay attention on the distance between v-stab fairing tips and wing fairing on the back. 

Edited by Tapchan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
On 6/29/2019 at 3:55 PM, Mstor said:

They did not correct the IFR probe placement. Oh well. There are some things that are very nice about the kit though. There IS a lot of detail. The three piece canopy looks very nice and appears to have the correct cross section, something that has been lacking in most models of aircraft with "blown" canopies.  Considering what AMK has shown that can be done with the advances in molding technologies and innovative design, I am looking forward to seeing what GWH comes up with. Would be nice if they could match the innovations in molding with a more overall accurate kit.

Word !

Edited by B.Sin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, shion said:

So either intakes are too long, either cockpit part is too short.

 

And maybe more noticeable,  exhausts fans:

 

I really can't see what is wrong with this exhaust nozzle and intakes… For me they looks just like those on the pictures.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Solo said:

 

I really can't see what is wrong with this exhaust nozzle and intakes… For me they looks just like those on the pictures.

 

Yeah, I guess those sort of cut areas in each petal (where the other petal slides in in closed position) should be slightly more pronounced, but I guess it will look OK when painted and washed.

 

But, the closed position shown on the F-16's is not the AB position as mentioned in the post. In afterburner, the nozzles would be opened up (depending on the stage), not closed down.

 

IIRC, during the normal shutdown procedure, the left nozzle would end up closed and the right one opened, but they could be open or closed up by the maintenance crew so different combinations are possible as well.

Edited by ijozic

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, ijozic said:

 

Yeah, I guess those sort of cut areas in each petal (where the other petal slides in in closed position) should be slightly more pronounced, but I guess it will look OK when painted and washed.

 

But, the closed position shown on the F-16's is not the AB position as mentioned in the post. In afterburner, the nozzles would be opened up (depending on the stage), not closed down.

 

IIRC, during the normal shutdown procedure, the left nozzle would end up closed and the right one opened, but they could be open or closed up by the maintenance crew so different combinations are possible as well.

 

No.

GE F110 are special and their use of the tomcat too.

 

In idle/off mode, GE F110 are full open, like on the first group of pics I posted.

In Mil Thrust, the exhaust is closed and it reopen later in full AB, but not full.

 

See here: 

 

 

F-14D pilots must not use AB mode on the carrier, if I remember right, the AB mode exhaust plume is way too hot for the JBD.

No, in fact, the AB thrust is so huge, the a/c would outspeed the shuttle.

So F-14D were catapulted in Mil mode.

 

And to 

1 hour ago, Solo said:

 

I really can't see what is wrong with this exhaust nozzle and intakes… For me they looks just like those on the pictures.

 

Check the real exhaust profile.

GE F110 exhauts got a noticeable bulge, they are not straight (profile), you can see it in idle mode and in MIL mode.

You can check it with the different F-16 boxing of Block 30/40/50/60 (Kinetic, Tamiya, Hasegawa etc).

And it's not a kept secret, drawings of the engine are litteraly available on the net:

 

file.php?id=576&t=1

 

file.php?id=491&t=1&sid=0f196ece041467da

 

 

And for the intakes lips, look at the position of the lips/ the step reinforcement plate on the real plane pic I provided.

Look tamiya renditions of the same area with a close photo POV:

 

915f5643f18d2d86c553a9ae68582651.jpg

 

d4237bb9c7a647938713c1ffd753128b.jpg

 

Now look at the pics of the AMK kit provided.

Edited by shion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Solo said:

 

I really can't see what is wrong with this exhaust nozzle and intakes… For me they looks just like those on the pictures.

You can see it well in the .psd file I posted.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

19 hours ago, Tapchan said:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c9VbWIFJnTH73NYJRP55QolDuk2TYj7O/view?usp=sharing

 

If you have photoshop then get to top layer and play with switching opacity. You'll see the differences. However I compared it with F-14A, but as far as I know there should be no major differences except engine nozzles and beaver tail shape. The photo with model is a bit angled thus right side of plane is not comparable.

 

PS. Pay attention on the distance between v-stab fairing tips and wing fairing on the back. 

 

Good job.

 

You're right, if the general dimensions match in length, some proportions are off,

and if some panels lines match, some major details are completely not in the right place.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Solo said:

I dont have photoshop.

 

48170560726_069dfe1db2_o.png

 

Red lines for real thing, yellow ones for AMK kit (my bad :D). From the left: Air inlet top edge, air outlet front edge, end of the fin(?), end of cushion. That explains air inlet being too close to the step.

 

BTW. You can open the file in GIMP too, it's free.

Edited by Tapchan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All of this wouldn't be so bad if AMK hadn't hyped themselves to the point where they claimed that their Tomcat would be the most accurate Tomcat ever. 

Now it's likely not even going to rise to the level of the Hobby Boss Tomcat. 

It's sad..if there's one thing they should have known is that the Tomcat is *NOT* the plane you want to swing and miss on. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm by no means a Tomcat expert but looking at Tapchan's picture with the lines it looks to long in the middle and to fat in the butt. The detail on the AB cans is just not as crisp as other kits plus some of the other noticable errors like the refueling probe location but I'll say the decal sheet looks good. The overall look of the kit might look better if the front fuselage was 1/4" longer to make up for the middle.

 

I think I'll keep my 5 Tamiya kits and pass on this one. I have they're Kfir C2/C7 kit which in my opinion looks good.

 

All I can say is I like the decal sheet because of the VF-31 markings.

 

Don

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...