habu2 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 At this point it is obvious that no one posting on this thread had laid hands or eyes (or calipers) on the actual kit and their comments are based solely on photographs posted from a variety of sources. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, habu2 said: At this point it is obvious that no one posting on this thread had laid hands or eyes (or calipers) on the actual kit and their comments are based solely on photographs posted from a variety of sources. Its been that way for 194 pages........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I'm really tempted to go ahead and get one or two while the pre-order option is available and the kit is supposedly going to start shipping in a couple weeks. On the flip side I feel more comfortable in just spending an extra $20-30 and buying more Tamiya F-14Ds since we already know the accuracies and very few deficiencies of that kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I still think we should buy one even just for intellectual curiosity and even if it's going to stay unbuilt. As kit collectors (I guess all modellers are) you'll be owning a piece of history -- the most controversial F-14 kit ever produced. That's a great conversational piece right there. Once the kits are gone missing out will leave you wondering forever what the kit would have been like -- the slide-molded forward fuselage and weapons sets, the decals, the dirty wings and other firsts. There will always be someone in the future who will want to take the kit off your hands for these features despite the kit's warts should you want to sell. It's a limited run so it's a great inestment. Regarding the wait, from what's going on in their facebook page it hasn't felt more like the release is really happening. And we've waited years so a couple months more shouldn't matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 7 hours ago, habu2 said: At this point it is obvious that no one posting on this thread had laid hands or eyes (or calipers) on the actual kit and their comments are based solely on photographs posted from a variety of sources. AMK is unable to provide decent pics of the sprues since 2018, unable to provide decent pics of a built kit since 2018, unable to provide decents CAD pics since 2017, although they claimed to make/have made the most accurate tomcat ever. If you make the best tomcat kit, built it, show it, it will sell. That´s what Tamiya did and still do. Now we just have to wait honest reviews of this kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, crackerjazz said: As kit collectors (I guess all modellers are) you'll be owning a piece of history -- the most controversial F-14 kit ever produced. This kit is not controversial, the controversial is the way how it was designed and manufactured. This kit can be good, bad or just average, that is all.I do believe this is really good kit, I don't care those rumours regarding hips or anythhing like this. This is Tomcat model and it looks like Tomcat, that is enough for me. I know Tamiya is now, and will be for very long time (considering forthcoming GWH kit) the best Tomcat kit in any scale, but probably AMK kit will hold second place. This is enought for me, I bought this kit and not going back, mayby even I am going to make it, who knows… 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grindcore Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) I emailed Hobbyeasy to ask if I pre-ordered it is the weapon set still included. They said yes but it would not be for much longer. "Hi, yes, please. But we will stop offer bonus set very soon. regards, daniel" I like the looks of the weapons set and I figured what the hell. I really like they way AMK does the cockpit and even though this has been going on forever I like supporting new companies. I didn't need another PZIV or Leopard II but I picked up the Border kits, I'll do the same for AMK. Edited August 15, 2019 by Grindcore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Grindcore said: I emailed Hobbyeasy to ask if I pre-ordered it is the weapon set still included. They said yes but it would not be for much longer. Today they wrote me both F-14D kit and weapon set will be dispatched to customer in one package. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Solo said: This kit is not controversial, the controversial is the way how it was designed and manufactured. This kit can be good, bad or just average, that is all.I do believe this is really good kit, I don't care those rumours regarding hips or anythhing like this. This is Tomcat model and it looks like Tomcat, that is enough for me. I know Tamiya is now, and will be for very long time (considering forthcoming GWH kit) the best Tomcat kit in any scale, but probably AMK kit will hold second place. This is enought for me, I bought this kit and not going back, mayby even I am going to make it, who knows… 🙂 I think one of the other "controversial" things about this is the way people have been acting towards one another over this kit. I'll freely admit that I'm included in that. But I think some would be better off thinking about if they've been critical of a plastic kit and/or a companies policies (which in my opinion it is perfectly acceptable to question such things) or if they've been critical of other individual's because of their stance on the kit. Like it don't like, love it, hate it...whatever...But why attack those that are on the other side? Stick to attacking and/or praising the kit and company. Attacking the people that have concerns or attacking the people that could care less about those concerns is not the best image of what this hobby should be. I believe one former member who shall remain nameless use to put it this way "attack the plastic not the person". I think that's sound advice in general. I might actually buy this kit despite it's issues. I really see it as a look into what the future of mold making can be and might end up being. I like how they've taken risks on certain things like the canopy but also provide a traditional canopy for those that aren't interested in their approach. To me, THAT is how you push the industry. The front of the fuse section...another great idea that may take off. I find it interesting in many ways. Edited August 15, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Just checking the available pics is obvious that this kit mishaps have not be addressed. Look: Edited August 15, 2019 by galfa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 And then, look: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 And look again: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAGeezer Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, galfa said: And then, look: Looks horrible and unbuildable, so don't buy it.... Just for a giggle, I blew up these pictures, held my old Monogram kit up to them, and the curve with White line attached(Aren't you supposed to use Red?) is an exact match to the 39(?) year-old Monogram kit... The whole "Big hips" rant has been a non-issue. Let the flames and self justification begin... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrew.deboer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Because photos taken from close range with a phone camera are such a great way of judging shapes. This whole photo analysis sideshow has been ridiculous. I have one on order. Really looking forward to seeing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, IAGeezer said: ... Just for a giggle, I blew up these pictures, held my old Monogram kit up to them, and the curve with White line attached(Aren't you supposed to use Red?) is an exact match to the 39(?) year-old Monogram kit ... Dear IAGeezer, I did the same with my Monogram, Academy, Hobby Boss, Hasegawa, and Tamiya kits and I didn't get an exact match. Not at all. So, would you please post a picture showing that you are right and that I am wrong ? Looking forward to that. Edited August 16, 2019 by galfa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The difference is visible but not as pronounced in 2D as some might think. 3D is different case. Also there is no engine fairing which in my opinion doubles the effect. Nobody says it's unbuildable, but I believe it will look different when placed next to Tamiya kit. Can't wait to see built comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, galfa said: Dear IAGeezer, I did the same with my Monogram, Academy, Hobby Boss, Hasegawa, and Tamiya kits and I didn't get an exact match. Not at all. So, would you please post a picture showing that you are right and that I am wrong ? Looking forward to that. How about you post all of those photos and prove the AMK kit is the only one that isn't correct? Edited August 16, 2019 by Dave Roof Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, galfa said: And then, look: (Photo URL copied from aeroscale) Yes, definitely different! Edited August 16, 2019 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, galfa said: And look again: (Photo URL copied from aeroscale) Yes, again, definitely very different! Edited August 16, 2019 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) ...actually so different, that I cannot see the difference 😋😋😋 😂😂😂 Both, unbuildable! Edited August 16, 2019 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrew.deboer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Looks like a bit of a mold mismatch in the nose section. Edited August 16, 2019 by andrew.deboer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Noticed that the decal sheet has no markings for the LANTIRN pod and GPS-guided munitions. Hope these are included as the LTS and guided bombs were a defining feature of late model Tomcats. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 16 hours ago, galfa said: Just checking the available pics is obvious that this kit mishaps have not be addressed. Look: So, those hips are rounded, and should be...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Seraph Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Solo said: So, those hips are rounded, and should be...? Presumably less rounded. I can clearly see differences between the Tamiya and AMK curves and volumes but I have absolutely no idea if they are to be attributed to the camera focal or effective differences. Besides, those white curve lines do not help at deciding for or against. As far as I am concerned, I will wait for a detailed comparison but I am thinking that even if the AMK kit fails in the hip test, I will find a good home for its dirty wings -> use them on my Tamiya Tomcat, and sell the remainder of the AMK kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anders_Isaksson Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Now what is this, AMK is releasing a Tomcat? And the kit will be out in just a few weeks too? Oh joy! (My sincere apologies, just trying to up this thread to reach page 200...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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