B.Sin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Silver Seraph said: Presumably less rounded. I can clearly see differences between the Tamiya and AMK curves and volumes but I have absolutely no idea if they are to be attributed to the camera focal or effective differences. Besides, those white curve lines do not help at deciding for or against. As far as I am concerned, I will wait for a detailed comparison but I am thinking that even if the AMK kit fails in the hip test, I will find a good home for its dirty wings -> use them on my Tamiya Tomcat, and sell the remainder of the AMK kit. Maybe Tamiya got it wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Seraph Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, B.Sin said: Maybe Tamiya got it wrong? That is the thing : I can spot differences between the 2 kits but do we know for sure Tamiya is 100% correct? I would not know. Comparing them would only prove there is, or not, a difference and from there we can start, or not, investigating who is right. Anyway, right or wrong, I am glad we now have more choice when it comes to 1/48 Tomcats. I like some aspects of Tamiya's kit, I like some aspects of AMK's kit. Not being on a budget, I will probably combine the best of both kits to pump out my dreamed Tomcat kit. Ok, that was page 196.76, anyone for page 196.80? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Or maybe... and this is a crazy idea I know...those who want to buy this kit can buy it, collect it, build it or do whatever they please with it. Those who don't want to buy it can pass and move on to whatever does interest them. I'm certainly no big Tomcat fan so I guess I'm missing something but I just don't get the fervor with which the AMK fans and those who are not so much are arguing and bickering over this. Sadly, I predict that this squabbling between both sides won't end at 200 or in this thread. Once this kit gets in some peoples hands I see threads and/or endless posts arguing over which kit is better...Tamiya or AMK (add in GWH when/if they throw there's in the ring)... red lines everywhere! It will be like a styrene crime scene... Happy modeling everyone...enjoy your time at the workbench! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Don said: Or maybe... and this is a crazy idea I know...those who want to buy this kit can buy it, collect it, build it or do whatever they please with it. Those who don't want to buy it can pass and move on to whatever does interest them. I'm certainly no big Tomcat fan so I guess I'm missing something but I just don't get the fervor with which the AMK fans and those who are not so much are arguing and bickering over this. Sadly, I predict that this squabbling between both sides won't end at 200 or in this thread. Once this kit gets in some peoples hands I see threads and/or endless posts arguing over which kit is better...Tamiya or AMK (add in GWH when/if they throw there's in the ring)... red lines everywhere! It will be like a styrene crime scene... Happy modeling everyone...enjoy your time at the workbench! "A styrene crime scene", BAHAHA!!! Good one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I'm not interested in telling anyone to either buy or not to buy the AMK Tomcat; I just concur with those who affirm there's something which look odd in the rear flanks of the AMK kit. I just can't believe people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the hips in the Tamiya and AMK kits. It's there for all to see. There's no flat spot whatsoever on the curve on the AMK kit's rear flank, while there is clearly a flat spot on the Tamiya kit on the pictures posted above. In the built kits' pictures of both models the difference in the rear flanks are also evident. They look too awkward in the AMK kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Dave Roof said: How about you post all of those photos and prove the AMK kit is the only one that isn't correct? Dave, "There are none so blind as those who will not see" Matthew 9:26-27 Edited August 16, 2019 by galfa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, Hubbie Marsten said: I'm not interested in telling anyone to either buy or not to buy the AMK Tomcat; I just concur with those who affirm there's something which look odd in the rear flanks of the AMK kit. I just can't believe people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the hips in the Tamiya and AMK kits. It's there for all to see. There's no flat spot whatsoever on the curve on the AMK kit's rear flank, while there is clearly a flat spot on the Tamiya kit on the pictures posted above. In the built kits' pictures of both models the difference in the rear flanks are also evident. They look too awkward in the AMK kit. Hubbie, I do agree with you. In addition, the curve on the AMK kit's rear flank makes for underscaled exhausts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAGeezer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Dave Roof said: How about you post all of those photos and prove the AMK kit is the only one that isn't correct? Thanks Dave. Scripture? Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I'M SO CONFUSED! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAGeezer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just now, B.Sin said: I'M SO CONFUSED! Word. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, IAGeezer said: Word. BAHAHA ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Keep going, keep going... almost there. Three more pages. Come on guys, you can do it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mstor said: Keep going, keep going... almost there. Three more pages. Come on guys, you can do it We're trying, we're trying hard!😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrysumner Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Hmmmm.... should I? 😆😆😆 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, B.Sin said: Maybe Tamiya got it wrong? I don't think so: PS. Just checked my almost finished HB-F-14A, the top hip shape is also made from straight lines, not curves. Edited August 16, 2019 by Tapchan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 49 minutes ago, Tapchan said: I don't think so: PS. Just checked my almost finished HB-F-14A, the top hip shape is also made from straight lines, not curves. We had pics showing this way back in this thread. There is an area that starts at about the first panel aft of the inflatable bag thingy that is straight all the way back to where the horizontal stab pivot is. You can see it in this pic: This is where I think AMK has messed up. I won't know for sure until I have the kit in my hands. Yes, I pulled the trigger and preordered one from HobbyEasy. Maybe I can use the dirty wing on my Tamiya F-14A and sell the rest as someone has already suggested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Look in the Daco book, the curves are there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 So are the photos above fake? Or it's not a Tomcat depicted there? Mstor's picture catch the thing closed up i think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, zerosystem said: Look in the Daco book, the curves are there. Sorry, don't have that book. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Tapchan said: I don't think so: PS. Just checked my almost finished HB-F-14A, the top hip shape is also made from straight lines, not curves. Oh dear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Hips don't lie. Edited August 16, 2019 by Solo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just now, Tapchan said: So are the photos above fake? Or it's not a Tomcat depicted there? Mstor's picture catch the thing closed up i think I believe and earlier comment on this pic stated that the curve is still there, but not as pronounced. I don't know. I have the Tamiya F-14A kit (mostly built) a couple Hasegawa kits and will be getting the AMK. I don't have a real F-14 anywhere close that I can go look at. Photos are notoriously unreliable because view angle can exaggerate or diminish features. I've been going on comparisons of numerous photos and the Tamiya kit (which shows the same features I noted above). Is Tamiya wrong? My personal guess is no. Whether all of this means a darn is up to the individual. Many will not care if the AMK kits arse it "too big ". That's fine, different strokes for different folks. I'll make up my mind whether there is a problem when I have kit in hand. Then, if I think there is, I'll have to decide if it bothers me so much that I don't want to build the kit. I have more kits than I have life left, so I'm not going to worry about it too much. Why all the fuss then? Cause it's fun to try to figure these things out. For me it's part of the hobby. Nuff said for now. 200, here we come (PLEASE Terry, don't end it yet). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) My goal is neither bashing AMK's kit nor change anybody's mind about buying it. This misshape was visible for me since I first saw the test parts, and I am no specialist of Tomcats. It just catched my eye "something's not right there". I believe that AMK team are smart guys (not really in PR but people tend to learn on mistakes :D) and even if they don't admit or respond here - they may be reading us. And if they are smart guys they won't waste great job with designing ver. D of Tomcat and stopping at that point but they'll try to squeeze the lemon while it's still juicy and make other versions too. I don't care much about A (I have HB) or D (I have Tamiya), but I'd really love to get F-14B. From what I've heared about AMK MiG-31 and other kits - they are really smart, avantgarde designed and well fitted. From what I see here I can admit I like the detail and all that. But really, if I build this kit (and I'd love to just for the sake of tasting some different design solutions) I couldn't really put it on my shelf because whenever I'd look at it my eyes would stick to that odd aft fuselage. So this small problem changes my stance while welcoming F-14A soon: That said I'd really like to see AMK rework this area for subsequent versions and let me buy and build it with no concern. Edited August 16, 2019 by Tapchan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 200.200.200.200..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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