madmanrick Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Plastic, plastic...is the cure for all modeling evil! (and NO I have not been paid for these comments, but if anyone is fool enough to pay me, I will post my paypal addy! lol) Edited September 3, 2019 by madmanrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, terrysumner said: Sure is..... Git 'em Terry! lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, terrysumner said: Sure is..... I agree. But I just simply can't understand why a discussion about details on a model kit can't be had on a model forum, without people being accused of having ulterior motives for their view, or being told they shouldn't be posting such comments etc... It is after all a model discussion forum. If the posts can only be positive about a kit, or a manufacturer etc....then what's the point of all of this? Like Zacto said, he's learned more in this thread about F-14's than many many books could have provided information on. Just the photo research and discussion in the thread alone is enough to get a really good grasp of the F-14 shapes and details. Isn't THAT by itself worth a little bit of jawing? Shouldn't THIS thread be more of how things can be discussed? It is the most popular thread on this site lately, probably by far. Isn't that a good thing? If not, then I really don't understand what the forum is for... Just my opinion. Edited September 3, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian P: Fightertown Decals Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I always was under the impression it simply had to do with the part contract manufacturer. Nothing more than the later made parts had straight and different number of vanes... Just like some of the main tires had tread in the center (5 lines of tread) of the tire, and some didn’t (4 lines of tread)... bris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, niart17 said: Man, those court lines are WAAAAY out of scale. Not the mention the ball. That's the worst tennis court representation I've ever seen!😀 LOL! Could be worse... Sad thing is, I remember when Pong came out! I thought it was magic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Yes! Pong was a miracle as far as we were concerned. That you could control something that you see on your television was amazing to me as a young 8-ish year old kid. I remember when my dad brought home the first pong game that had the screw terminals that you'd put in place of the antennae wires and that was how the signal was sent to the screen. He would get so mad when we'd forget to hook the antennae back up so he could watch TV. Ahhh... those were the days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Television? I first met Pong in 1975 as a console game. As in, you sat at a coffee table-sized console with a glass top, a potentiometer for each player to control paddle position, and a coin slot. My family did buy the box you spoke of a year or two later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 As far as there are people trying to blame AMK F-14 for reasons that are less than realistic or obvious for a modeler, and others that defend no matter what (possibly also for their own reasons) this will never end. So, I will stop contributing to this. Just facts from me and those are very few with the kit not in hand. But the engraved panel lines are totally subjective matter. I personally see some masters of modeling that build amazing models and then paint them totally accurately with no panel wash at all! Yep the real one is like that. Your model mate looks like an awesome piece of wood! Also, it is true to say that regardless of how deep (well, not matchbox though) the panel lines are, you can tone them as much as you like after the paint job. So no probs there either. Finally (for now 😝) no other comments for shape issues. It depends on the light, the position a photo is taken etc. And no model in hand.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, skuki said: I guess you can't be satisfied with any kit on the market.... I think he must have been making a joke. There are no wide, visible panel lines on the horizontal stabilizers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brian P: Fightertown Decals said: I always was under the impression it simply had to do with the part contract manufacturer. Nothing more than the later made parts had straight and different number of vanes... Just like some of the main tires had tread in the center (5 lines of tread) of the tire, and some didn’t (4 lines of tread)... bris Hey Brian, What exactly are you referring to? There are so many posts going back and forth that I'm getting lost Edited September 3, 2019 by Mstor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, niart17 said: Yes! Pong was a miracle as far as we were concerned. That you could control something that you see on your television was amazing to me as a young 8-ish year old kid. I remember when my dad brought home the first pong game that had the screw terminals that you'd put in place of the antennae wires and that was how the signal was sent to the screen. He would get so mad when we'd forget to hook the antennae back up so he could watch TV. Ahhh... those were the days. Atari!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Deleted Edited September 4, 2019 by gb_madcat_sl Deleted Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mstor said: Hey Brian, What exactly are you referring to? There are so many posts going back and forth that I'm getting lost Not Brian, but I believe he was referring to the ECS vane posts. I know it took me a minute too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Never mind, the question has already been answered. Edited September 3, 2019 by GW8345 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Looks like somebody stole my joy...... 😞 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 9 hours ago, skuki said: looks rather nice. btw, why are you putting so much above average effort to make this kit look so bad? X 100!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 8 hours ago, skuki said: just saying we should be careful with judgments before the kit is released. not saying it is bad or good, just that is seems a bit unfair to judge on the photos, especially when I personally can't see from the pictures that there is any problem with the width of panel lines. I understand that AMK had this problem with some previous kits, but it looks like to me (FOR NOW OFC) that the lines on this kit are pretty good.... ALSO, I would like to point out that I had this kit in my hands on model competition in Hungary in april this year, and it looked very nice, especially panel lines. I doubt they made them wider in the meantime, but again, maybe, I will wait for my kit I've owned three different AMK kits, and this panel life stuff is a lie! Glt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 We need a resin wheels... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Manuel J. Armas S. said: We need a resin wheels... ...in multiple colours and sizes too! Edited September 4, 2019 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nachjager Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 7 hours ago, habu2 said: Looks like somebody stole my joy...... 😞 What? Is Klaus back again from deep storage????? 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Seraph Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 What is with that raised line detail on the tire flank? I checked about 10 F-14D wheel photos, none show it. And basic rim detail. Surprising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 17 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: and this panel life stuff is a lie! Gary, wasn't there a song called Panel Life by Lacuna Coil? Or was it Heaven's a Lie...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) Besides, I don't know that I'd call this a "lie". Perhaps it's a wrong assessment or an error in interpretation of some pictures. But really it's more of an opinion about what's too big and what isn't. To say it's a lie is pretty harsh in my opinion. Now if it were presented with some kind of a number that was clearly misleading, like saying the panel lines measure 2mm wide when clearly they don't, then yes, I guess you could say that would be lie. So maybe refraining from assigning a motive to people would be a good thing in this case. But of course it's your prerogative calling people whatever you want to. Edited September 4, 2019 by niart17 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbie Marsten Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, niart17 said: Besides, I don't know that I'd call this a "lie". Never mind, the song I was referring to was called Half Life, anyways... so... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Hubbie Marsten said: Gary, wasn't there a song called Panel Life by Lacuna Coil? Or was it Heaven's a Lie...? You got me on this one! Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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