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2 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said:

 

 

"Twisty".. no??

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Bladder rubber height to edge ratio should be around 1/3 when the rubber is extended to "full". 

 

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Also, please look at this picture where rubber is pressed with the wing on AMK kit: looks pretty spot on to me:

 

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 Isn't it the bladder for swept wing position?

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3 minutes ago, Tapchan said:

From the customer position I have no interest in AMK's fail, more variety on the market is always appreciated.

I am not saying you have a sharpened axe out for AMK. I am only saying that your supposition that the "discussion" about the flaws will absolutely have an affect on AMK, if it causes modelers to not buy this kit. And yes, there are modelers that have made up their minds based on a few photos, both pro and con. One can only hope that, in the end this will be a tempest in a teapot and it won't have an effect on AMK as a viable company. Of course, if it does, that will be on AMK, for only they had responsibility for producing the kit. Also, while AMK (in)famously shot themselves in the foot by stating that this will be the most accurate Tomcat ever produced, to be fair to them this was said looong before Tamiya expressed even interest in producing the type. It will also probably NOT end up as the least accurate Tomcat ever made either, it's faults notwithstanding.

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OK, but you give a photo of unswept wing as reference (similar angle) to swept AMK bladder. And the angle of the curve is still too big for my eyes :) And then that line behind bladder bowing down... accumulated this is probably what makes the whole odd hip problem.

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15 minutes ago, madmanrick said:

I am not saying you have a sharpened axe out for AMK. I am only saying that your supposition that the "discussion" about the flaws will absolutely have an affect on AMK, if it causes modelers to not buy this kit. And yes, there are modelers that have made up their minds based on a few photos, both pro and con. One can only hope that, in the end this will be a tempest in a teapot and it won't have an effect on AMK as a viable company. Of course, if it does, that will be on AMK, for only they had responsibility for producing the kit. Also, while AMK (in)famously shot themselves in the foot by stating that this will be the most accurate Tomcat ever produced, to be fair to them this was said looong before Tamiya expressed even interest in producing the type. It will also probably NOT end up as the least accurate Tomcat ever made either, it's faults notwithstanding.

 

 

Really?

 

https://www.facebook.com/avantgardemodelkits/posts/1121789291319230?comment_id=1122637474567745&comment_tracking={"tn"%3A"R"}

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Avantgarde Model Kits

 

Alclad II guys hosted our plastic parts for the most accurate F-14D Tomcat ever produced.
Including some features that even the US Navy Jocks didn't know existed. Thanks 'Torso' and Jim R.

 

In November 2018, Tamiya'd already released F-14A (Nov 2016) and F-14D (Aug 2018) kits. 

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14 hours ago, DIO said:

 

I am just a Registered Nurse and I am working at sales, selling systems worth 1.5m+ that are ment to keep patients in the ICU alive. But you are right. Never taught the art of precision measurement (in anything that is not a pathology test or an observation item).

 

I love super detailing and I only have time to build 1 model per year. Yet, I am interested to know more and if I do not understand, I usually ask questions.

 

So, can you explain now what you try to show in your pictures?

I was trained to work within one tenth of an arc second. The digital calipers were being used incorrectly in the photos. Close but no cigar

Glt

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54 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said:

 

 

"Twisty".. no??

2.jpg

 

 

Bladder rubber height to edge ratio should be around 1/3 when the rubber is extended to "full". 

 

1.jpg

 

 

Also, please look at this picture where rubber is pressed with the wing on AMK kit: looks pretty spot on to me:

 

2v2EdJ94ox9trR.jpg

 

 

 

If you have the kit, why don't you just photograph it at the same angle as the photo of the real aircraft?

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51 minutes ago, shion said:

 

 

Really?

 

https://www.facebook.com/avantgardemodelkits/posts/1121789291319230?comment_id=1122637474567745&comment_tracking={"tn"%3A"R"}

 

In November 2018, Tamiya'd already released F-14A (Nov 2016) and F-14D (Aug 2018) kits. 

 

 

Shion, your passion against AMK, getting into trouble to search in past 2-3 years of posts, says a lot to me...

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1 hour ago, foxmulder_ms said:

 

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The airbag is misshaped, the top should be straight across and the rear should not slope down to meet the fuselage. When the wings sweep back it pushes the airbag down but the rest of the airbag does not bulge upward, it stays flat and follows the same line as the fuselage.

 

And as noted earlier, the area by the stab back panel (panel above and forward of the stab pivot point) slopes down too much and that area should not have that downward curve between the airbag and stab bell crank cover (pivot point hump).

 

 

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48 minutes ago, GW8345 said:

The airbag is misshaped, the top should be straight across and the rear should not slope down to meet the fuselage. When the wings sweep back it pushes the airbag down but the rest of the airbag does not bulge upward, it stays flat and follows the same line as the fuselage.

 

And as noted earlier, the area by the stab back panel (panel above and forward of the stab pivot point) slopes down too much and that area should not have that downward curve between the airbag and stab bell crank cover (pivot point hump).

 

 

Thank you. The above ^^^ post from someone with years of experience turning wrenches on the real F-14.

Happy modeling!

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44 minutes ago, Don said:

Thank you. The above ^^^ post from someone with years of experience turning wrenches on the real F-14.

Happy modeling!

 

Is the comment to add validity to the errors stated? Honestly asking...

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15 minutes ago, DIO said:

 

Is the comment to add validity to the errors stated? Honestly asking...

GW8345 has more experience then pretty much anyone on this thread when it comes to the real Tomcat. If he says something is off then I'm going to lean towards his real life expertise. Honestly answering...

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2 hours ago, DIO said:

 

 

Shion, your passion against AMK, getting into trouble to search in past 2-3 years of posts, says a lot to me...

 

 Word.

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2 hours ago, GW8345 said:

The airbag is misshaped, the top should be straight across and the rear should not slope down to meet the fuselage. When the wings sweep back it pushes the airbag down but the rest of the airbag does not bulge upward, it stays flat and follows the same line as the fuselage.

 

And as noted earlier, the area by the stab back panel (panel above and forward of the stab pivot point) slopes down too much and that area should not have that downward curve between the airbag and stab bell crank cover (pivot point hump).

 

 

I think this is really it. 

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4 hours ago, Tapchan said:

If somebody decides not to wait with the decision of giving up on AMK's Tomcat at least until the model comes to the vendors then well... he was not really into it anyway.

 

That's a pretty asinine thing to say as I am one amongst a large amount of modelers that are waiting for the kits to hit the vendors and see what they look like after others build it.

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Interesting pic of the bladder from under the "swept" wing....

 

https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fwww.aircraftresourcecenter.com%2Fawa01%2F101-200%2Fawa169-tomcat%2Fdisk1%2FMvc-023s.jpg&sp=2e45e87b98b5ed2d97decc565a7f6801

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2 hours ago, DIO said:

 

Is the comment to add validity to the errors stated? Honestly asking...

My intent is not to validate or invalidate anyone's assessment of the kits shape, my intent is to provide modeler's an assessment of the shape of the kit from someone who has worked on the aircraft while it was in operational service.

 

I have no axe to grind against the manufacture, I am not being paid by anyone and I couldn't care less about a 1/48 scale Tomcat kit. I am just providing my insight of a model kit based on years of experience of actually working on the real thing, something most modelers appreciate and want.

 

 

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58 minutes ago, gb_madcat_sl said:

First completed build is out. 

 

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Mark

 

Wow, I've never seen a Tomcat that looked SO much like a Hellcat in ALL my life!

 

 

<sarcasm>

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3 minutes ago, madmanrick said:

Wow, I've never seen a Tomcat that looked SO much like a Hellcat in ALL my life!

 

 

<sarcasm>

 

Wow! And this is where you are being rude, not really sarcastic. Think that it is actually a fellow modeller that has built this...

 

Nice looking model by the way.

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Alex. that is the best example of what is wrong with that part of the kit I have seen.

 

I said from the beginning that it wasn't the hips being wide, but the aft part having a weird shape.

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1 hour ago, PlasticWeapons said:

I saw some more photos of this build on FB; does the kit seem to sit a bit low?

 

Maybe, but not as low as that of Tamiya.

I don't have the kits in hand. Just from what I see on the web too.

The old monogram is perfect. Should compare against it.

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So if i am understanding correctly, the problem starts with the wing bladder bulging up too high just behind the wing, and then sloping too low after the wing bladder?

I wonder how much of the exaggerated slope is caused by the overly bulging wing bladder? The reason why I say this is because removing material from the wing bladder via sanding will be a lot easier than adding material to the rear engine fairing.

 

Can we start another thread analyzing Academy's F14 shape errors? That would be quite fun.

 

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