dehowie Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, habu2 said: People will se what they want to see. Rose colored classes etc. Everything else is Fake News. Actually claiming fake news is looking at things through rose coloured glasses... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Hobby Easy Release Date : 2019-09-23 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 13 hours ago, shion said: Just follow earlier today a interesting discussion about the kit on britmodeller, someone showed both Tamiya and AMK kit side profiles against Grumman drawings. Sadly this part of the thread vanished (not the first time). On the other side of the pond they solved the “problem” of discussion about this kit very fast. Simply banned discussion by closing down the forum with the pretext that the kit is already released. In the cradle of democracy discussion or independent opinions are not something that are welcome. Well actually the AMK F-14 kit is not released, only handful of the kits have been sent out to reviewers. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Manuel J. Armas S. said: Hobby Easy Release Date : 2019-09-23 There was 2019-09-19 few days ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, shion said: Just follow earlier today a interesting discussion about the kit on britmodeller, someone showed both Tamiya and AMK kit side profiles against Grumman drawings. Sadly this part of the thread vanished (not the first time). Yeah, how they run their forum makes me shake my head... Anyway, it's their forum but the delete pictures do not belongs to them and are still in the Internet of course, so I will post them here, I'm not the original poster, the story is that a F-14 enthusiast noticed something weird with the front of the built up AMK kit, so he's done overlay of the Tamiya and AMK kits with a Grumman drawing, the blue circles mark the matched reference points: This is the Tamiya kit, I must say that I'm amazed, never thought a overlay would work this well, it's not just the external outline of the nose and windshield that matches, even the seat cushions match amazingly well, the kit's pilot figures are basically sitting perfectly in the seats of the drawing, even the flight stick looks to be perfectly placed for the pilot to grasp... I have to say if there is a kit that is near perfect shapewise, my money is on the Tamiya F-14. No sure about what's exactly happening with the AMK's kit there, the nose tips and end of canopy match, but in the middle... maybe inaccurate drawings have been used for the design of their kit, one will need to have the kit in hand to have a clue. I never suspected that there might be such issue at the front, so it surprised me too, but all my attention has all been drawn to the rear side.😄 Edited September 17, 2019 by delide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Seraph Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ya-gabor said: On the other side of the pond they solved the “problem” of discussion about this kit very fast. Simply banned discussion by closing down the forum with the pretext that the kit is already released. In the cradle of democracy discussion or independent opinions are not something that are welcome. Best regards Gabor They reopened the topic 9mins ago. These guys are too funny... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Silver Seraph said: They reopened the topic 9mins ago. These guys are too funny... How silly can you get??? One administrator closes it down, another reopens . . . Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgrease Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I questioned the method used for an in-box review of the Su-34 from Kitty Hawk and got banned from BM. Apparently they thought I was someone else - kept calling me "Matt". My name is John. LMAO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
polybebber Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, ya-gabor said: On the other side of the pond they solved the “problem” of discussion about this kit very fast. Simply banned discussion by closing down the forum with the pretext that the kit is already released. In the cradle of democracy discussion or independent opinions are not something that are welcome. Well actually the AMK F-14 kit is not released, only handful of the kits have been sent out to reviewers. Best regards Gabor If a thread doesn't make any sense anymore - like this one - the subject has beaten to death, "know and see it" alls repeat them over and over again - like on this one, if personal insults creep in - like on this one - then I'm all for closing a thread down. This should have been done with this one long time ago - what a waste of time!!!! Lothar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, polybebber said: If a thread doesn't make any sense anymore - like this one - the subject has beaten to death, "know and see it" alls repeat them over and over again - like on this one, if personal insults creep in - like on this one - then I'm all for closing a thread down. This should have been done with this one long time ago - what a waste of time!!!! Lothar Nah, I don't think so, if you think this thread makes no sense and is a waste of time, then LOL why waste your time with this thread? It's not closed down because others may have different option about it than yours. Anyway, Gabor summarized it pretty well, I totally agree with him. Oh and over there they don't just closed it down, they delete information they don't like beforehand, which are very often respectful and interesting discussions. Edited September 17, 2019 by delide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 There is nonsense in about every thread in all forums but there is also useful information, opinions, discussion, expressing individual points of view . . . also. Which can be used in making a better choice, forming opinion, or building a better modell. After all this is what this hobby is about, or am I wrong??? So we should close down about every forum if there are occasional silly comments???? (including my joke from yesterday, lets not forget it!) :)) The only difference with this ARC thread is in its number of pages and years that it has been going on accumulating that much more nonsense along the way. When it was getting out of hand and pointless Terry did close it down for a period. But now the kit is in hands of some people and should be released soon, so there is a real reason for talking about it. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, delide said: Yeah, how they run their forum makes me shake my head... Anyway, it's their forum but the delete pictures do not belongs to them and are still in the Internet of course, so I will post them here, I'm not the original poster, the story is that a F-14 enthusiast noticed something weird with the front of the built up AMK kit, so he's done overlay of the Tamiya and AMK kits with a Grumman drawing, the blue circles mark the matched reference points: This is the Tamiya kit, I must say that I'm amazed, never thought a overlay would work this well, it's not just the external outline of the nose and windshield that matches, even the seat cushions match amazingly well, the kit's pilot figures are basically sitting perfectly in the seats of the drawing, even the flight stick looks to be perfectly placed for the pilot to grasp... I have to say if there is a kit that is near perfect shapewise, my money is on the Tamiya F-14. No sure about what's exactly happening with the AMK's kit there, the nose tips and end of canopy match, but in the middle... maybe inaccurate drawing has been used, one will need to have the kit in hand to have a clue. I never suspected that there might be such issue at the front, so it surprised me too, but all my attention has all been drawn to the rear side.😄 Interesting delide. I don't know how valid these kind of comparisons are, but I will say that I had noticed the low canopy in a number of photos of the AMK kit builds. Hadn't said anything as I didn't know if what I was seeing was caused by some issue with the photo or not. But now... very interesting. Thanks for posting. What we need now is someone to take some measurements of both the AMK and Tamiya kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mstor said: Interesting delide. I don't know how valid these kind of comparisons are, but I will say that I had noticed the low canopy in a number of photos of the AMK kit builds. Hadn't said anything as I didn't know if what I was seeing was caused by some issue with the photo or not. But now... very interesting. Thanks for posting. What we need now is someone to take some measurements of both the AMK and Tamiya kits. You're welcome, but all credits to the original poster though. I just had a feeling that someone didn't like it and wanted this piece of interesting information to disappear, so I feel totally obligated to spread it around for those, who might have missed it :-) I think the overlays are really good jobs, the reference points are perfectly chosen, anyway, I don't believe that it's distortions or inaccuracies, that the Tamiya matched perfectly 😉 Judging by some of the posts here, I'd say it's really smart that you haven't said anything about it :-) I think it's difficult to notice and even more so to show it clearly, even for those, who are open and willing to see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 hours ago, polybebber said: If a thread doesn't make any sense anymore - like this one - the subject has beaten to death, "know and see it" alls repeat them over and over again - like on this one, if personal insults creep in - like on this one - then I'm all for closing a thread down. This should have been done with this one long time ago - what a waste of time!!!! Lothar And yet here you are posting a comment in it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 14 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: I don't understand a critical post from you, as you've stated you have no interest in the AMK kit. Because, like I said, they lied to their customers and acted in intentionally deceptive business practices I am critical of them because they need to be held accountable, not rewarded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said: Seriously, 300 will be easy 😄 I think we are looking at 500. THAT's the spirit! I likes the way you think. With a can do attitude like that we'll reach 300 in no time! Seriously though, it's funny how people think if they are not interested in, or are a little annoyed with a thread that they feel has no value, then their answer isn't "I'm not interested I think I'll skip clicking on this today". Their answer is "This thread makes no sense and has little value to me (therefore can't have value to anyone else...hmmm?) so I think this thread should be removed and/or closed from people posting in it. It's gone on far too long for anyone to find it useful". Meanwhile it's the highest viewed thread on this site. So yeah, obviously nobody is interested in it. That's why they keep coming to it. To show their lack of interest. Reminds me of the old saying by Yogi Berra "nobody goes there, it's too crowded." 😂 Oh well, to each his own I suppose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said: I know even drawings from grumman itself sometimes do not match to each other. That is why I added a caveat to my comment about the overlays. Even drawings from the manufacturer can be off or inaccurate. I just found it interesting that the drawings showed the AMK canopy too be too low compared to the Tamiya and there is photographic evidence confirming it. Again, it does not prove anything. We need measurements of both kits to determine if there is, in fact, a discrepancy, and if so, further research to determine who's is more accurate. Let's just say for now that something is worth following up on. OK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, niart17 said: THAT's the spirit! I likes the way you think. With a can do attitude like that we'll reach 300 in no time! Seriously though, it's funny how people think if they are not interested in, or are a little annoyed with a thread that they feel has no value, then their answer isn't "I'm not interested I think I'll skip clicking on this today". Their answer is "This thread makes no sense and has little value to me (therefore can't have value to anyone else...hmmm?) so I think this thread should be removed and/or closed from people posting in it. It's gone on far too long for anyone to find it useful". Meanwhile it's the highest viewed thread on this site. So yeah, obviously nobody is interested in it. That's why they keep coming to it. To show their lack of interest. Reminds me of the old saying by Yogi Berra "nobody goes there, it's too crowded." 😂 Oh well, to each his own I suppose. I wonder who has contributed more to this thread? Those who actually discuss the model and the potential issues or its features, or those that complain about the thread? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said: Bring me an F-14 side view image and I will show you AMK F-14, Tamiya F-14 and "real F-14" will look all very similar within 1mm of each. That comparison means only Tamiya used that very drawing as reference. I know even drawings from grumman itself sometimes do not match to each other. LOL, all similar yes, we don't expect modern F-14 kits to look not similar as the subject is not different? The comparison images already show that there are sufficient difference with the position of the windshield and front seat there, more than 1mm I recon, but that doesn't matter, I guess your conclusion from the fact that Tamiya matched the Grumman drawing, is that drawing must be wrong? 😂 I hope that Tamiya didn't really pay Grumman then. Edited September 17, 2019 by delide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Solo said: There was 2019-09-19 few days ago. Sincere Hobby 1/48 Grumman F-14D Tomcat Estimated Launch Date: 30-09-2019 (Pre-Order) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I too would clarity on this new potential issue - if the nose misshappen then i do regard that as quite a serious issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrea Bolla Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Mstor said: Interesting delide. I don't know how valid these kind of comparisons are, but I will say that I had noticed the low canopy in a number of photos of the AMK kit builds. Hadn't said anything as I didn't know if what I was seeing was caused by some issue with the photo or not. But now... very interesting. Thanks for posting. What we need now is someone to take some measurements of both the AMK and Tamiya kits. Canopy is not too low, it seems too short in proportions (sorry for the poor quality): Easy to find out If someone can measure both Tamiya and AMK canopies... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Andrea Bolla said: Canopy is not too low, it seems too short in proportions (sorry for the poor quality): Easy to find out If someone can measure both Tamiya and AMK canopies... Wow, thanks for the new picture! It looks like that the drawing has been scaled down in length till the canopies match? That would mean that the proportion of the entire front would be off, if the total length of the kit is correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jonathan_Lotton said: Because, like I said, they lied to their customers and acted in intentionally deceptive business practices I am critical of them because they need to be held accountable, not rewarded. Well, since you haven't pre ordered the kit nor plan to purchase it, by definition you are not a customer. So your interest in looking out for me, as one who has pre ordered 5 and prepaid for two, while admirable is totally unwanted, nor needed. I have read your claims about how "AMK lied and misled their customers" however all they are really guilty of is hyperbole and if that is now a crime in this day and age of arguments over crowd and hand sizes, then you better start building a million more prisons. And once again, since you are not, nor do you intend to be a customer, I believe your feigned outrage is simply being used to mask your overt hostility for the company. Also, their business practices would ONLY be considered deceptive if they took money for something they had no intention to deliver. I think they've made it clear they intend to release this kit, come hell or high water, much I am sure to your chagrin. Now as to whether the kit will be accurate or even as you've quoted, "THE most accurate Tomcat produced," well the jury is out and I suspect even if it were THE most accurate, the T fanboys would howl at the outrage, facts be damned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Manuel J. Armas S. said: Sincere Hobby 1/48 Grumman F-14D Tomcat Estimated Launch Date: 30-09-2019 (Pre-Order) The same old story begins... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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