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9 minutes ago, DIO said:


Boring boring boring...

 

As, I know what is going to happen next!

Every time someone posts something positive, the same people will (coisidently) get things back to rail: how bad is this or that, but don't get me wrong, I love this kit, but I also love extra super detail, but just for this particular one, the other one is perfect based on Grumman plans etc....

Yep. Read it so many times that I have learnt it by heart.

 

Well guys, the next time you will hear from me, will be only when I have actually built something, because this kit basing has become rediculus...

 

Cheers.

 

ummm....ok. But don't blame us if you aren't the one that post the first on page 300 and don't win the prize. :cheers:

 

Seriously though. It's all going to be ok. Nothing but love brother.

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2 hours ago, skuki said:

 

 

so, because they said "we will make the best F-14 ever" we have 236 pages

but if they said "we're going to make the best F-14 we can" all this would have been avoided and we would have, how much .... 12 pages?



If I said "I'm going to do the best job I can", then I'm doing the best job I can

If I say "I'm going to be better than you" and then spend years talking about and then ultimately am NOT better than you, isn't it normal to expect the backlash to be stronger? 

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15 minutes ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:



If I said "I'm going to do the best job I can", then I'm doing the best job I can

If I say "I'm going to be better than you" and then spend years talking about and then ultimately am NOT better than you, isn't it normal to expect the backlash to be stronger? 

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9 hours ago, niart17 said:

NO, Not bent out of shape at all. Its just that when you start using things like FFS at someone because they asked a simple question about an issue they thought might be present, that seems a bit emotionally over the top. It was an honest question. It just seems that any and all questioning of this kit is met with similar type responses. If people aren't to ask those questions then perhaps this forum is only left for "atta boys" and ohh and ahhs over kits and not honest discussions? I don't think that's the case but if all things are met with a bunch of FFS's then what next?

 

And yes, perhaps I've posted more than I should in this thread. Sorry if I'm too interesting in knowing how good this kit is. I wasn't on the list of getting one to try out so might spend my money on it. I do love a good dirty F-14.

 

The FFS wasn't directed at any single person. While it was made in a reply to a specific post, it was a general response to the utter ridiculousness of the majority of this thread. TWO of us that have actually held the parts in our hands said it wasn't an issue, yet the need to see more photos was still pushed. Darren noticed it also, as evidenced by his recent post.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Dave Roof said:

...a general response to the utter ridiculousness of the majority of this thread...

 

👽👽👽Let's not forget the upcoming Area 51 raid! 👽👽👽


There's still a chance that if we successfully capture one of them aliens we can get it to roll back the clock so that everybody had a kit under the Christmas tree several years ago. :santa:

:smiley-transport006:
There's also a chance that we could convince the aliens to go back in time to fix the tooling and maybe even include pilot figures (un-buildable without!).

 

Here's the countdown clock: https://timeanddate.com/s/3zbs

I'm providing the clock with Las Vegas time since most of our team will be partying there before and after the raid. :beer4:
For those not participating in the raid, wish us luck (I think we'll need it!)!!! :smiley-transport023:

 

:cheers:

 

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7 hours ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:


Give me a break. 

If you look at my post history it's clear I was an AMK defender for a long, long time. I had two on pre-order, defended them, enjoyed what I was seeing..

What eventually soured me was being lied to. AMK straight up lied to their customers, not even about accuracy issues..but about production status, about pre-orders, about import status issues. It was all a lie to cover their tracks.  

Now about the accuracy issue..they did that themselves. They said they were going to produce the most accurate F-14 model ever. It isn't. They failed. But their ego in proclaiming they were going to be the best means that they invited attention that normally wouldn't have ever been paid to them in other circumstances..had they not made such a massive claim. 

Now if they had said "we're going to make the best F-14 we can make" and there were these issues, none of this would have ever happened. Or if they had said "we're in the development process on this and we'll post more when it's ready to be released"...really no one would have even paid attention for years and years like this has happened.  Because of the time involved and claims made...the bar was set obscenely high, even higher than what was expected from Tamiya. 

I don't want to bury AMK, but I hope they learned their lesson. 

Perhaps some folks have a motive for bashing a kit. I don't care what they think, but the same folks will bash someone's thoughts everytime they get the chance. Others represent of companies, and I kinda wonder about their ethics. One guy here lost about $350 worth of business because I no longer trust him.

Others will see my cash because they acted accordingly.

       I don't understand a critical post from you, as you've stated you have no interest in the AMK kit. 

Gary

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5 hours ago, DIO said:

There is so much effort to prove that this kit is full of errors, that you will make me buy not only the AMK but also the TAMIYA one, and that just to compare!

 

My family budget goes off the window!

 

Can't you just stop it? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

I did just that, ordered one, in part, to check it out with my own eyes (I have a Tamiya A mostly built). I don't know if I'll ever build it. Not that big a fan of the D model. But who knows. I need to win the lottery. :thumbsup:

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3 hours ago, Zactoman said:

 

👽👽👽Let's not forget the upcoming Area 51 raid! 👽👽👽


There's still a chance that if we successfully capture one of them aliens we can get it to roll back the clock so that everybody had a kit under the Christmas tree several years ago. :santa:

:smiley-transport006:
There's also a chance that we could convince the aliens to go back in time to fix the tooling and maybe even include pilot figures (un-buildable without!).

 

Here's the countdown clock: https://timeanddate.com/s/3zbs

I'm providing the clock with Las Vegas time since most of our team will be partying there before and after the raid. :beer4:
For those not participating in the raid, wish us luck (I think we'll need it!)!!! :smiley-transport023:

 

:cheers:

 

 

I can't be there with you Sir. Our thoughts and prayers go with you on your great endeavor. The only problem I foresee is if you actually succeed, this thread, as we know it, will cease to exist. In fact, if the aliens go back in time, correct all issues and get the kit released several years ago, there will be no need for you to go to Area 51 to coerce the aliens into making the changes.

Oh my God, it will create a space/time paradox and rip apart the fabric of the universe. Humanity will probably cease to exist. Oh my!!:OMG-OMG:

 

Or not. Never mind :709-457:

Oh, and have one for me. :cheers:

 

 

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People will se what they want to see. Rose colored classes etc. 

 

Everything else is Fake News. 

 

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1 hour ago, habu2 said:

People will se what they want to see. Rose colored classes etc. 

 

Everything else is Fake News. 

 

 

Actually claiming fake news is looking at things through rose coloured glasses...

 

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13 hours ago, shion said:

Just follow earlier today  a interesting discussion about the kit on britmodeller,

someone showed both Tamiya and AMK kit side profiles against Grumman drawings.

 

Sadly this part of the thread vanished (not the first time).

 

On the other side of the pond they solved the “problem” of discussion about this kit very fast. Simply banned discussion by closing down the forum with the pretext that the kit is already released. In the cradle of democracy discussion or independent opinions are not something that are welcome.

 

Well actually the AMK F-14 kit is not released, only handful of the kits have been sent out to reviewers.

 

Best regards

Gabor

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2 hours ago, Manuel J. Armas S. said:

Hobby Easy
Release Date :
2019-09-23

There was 2019-09-19 few days ago.

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20 hours ago, shion said:

Just follow earlier today  a interesting discussion about the kit on britmodeller,

someone showed both Tamiya and AMK kit side profiles against Grumman drawings.

 

Sadly this part of the thread vanished (not the first time).

Yeah, how they run their forum makes me shake my head... Anyway, it's their forum but the delete pictures do not belongs to them and are still in the Internet of course, so I will post them here, I'm not the original poster, the story is that a F-14 enthusiast noticed something weird with the front of the built up AMK kit, so he's done overlay of the Tamiya and AMK kits with a Grumman drawing, the blue circles mark the matched reference points:

 

1UepDzA.jpg  

This is the Tamiya kit, I must say that I'm amazed, never thought a overlay would work this well, it's not just the external outline of the nose and windshield that matches, even the seat cushions match amazingly well, the kit's pilot figures are basically sitting perfectly in the seats of the drawing, even the flight stick looks to be perfectly placed for the pilot to grasp... I have to say if there is a kit that is near perfect shapewise, my money is on the Tamiya F-14. 

 

cQLzPnW.jpg

 

No sure about what's exactly happening with the AMK's kit there, the nose tips and end of canopy match, but in the middle... maybe inaccurate drawings have been used for the design of their kit, one will need to have the kit in hand to have a clue. I never suspected that there might be such issue at the front, so it surprised me too, but all my attention has all been drawn to the rear side.😄   

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1 hour ago, ya-gabor said:

 

On the other side of the pond they solved the “problem” of discussion about this kit very fast. Simply banned discussion by closing down the forum with the pretext that the kit is already released. In the cradle of democracy discussion or independent opinions are not something that are welcome.

 

Best regards

Gabor

 

They reopened the topic 9mins ago. These guys are too funny...

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31 minutes ago, Silver Seraph said:

 

They reopened the topic 9mins ago. These guys are too funny...

 

How silly can you get???

 

One administrator closes it down, another reopens . . .   :rofl:   :clap2:

 

Best regards

Gabor

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I questioned the method used for an in-box review of the Su-34 from Kitty Hawk and got banned from BM. Apparently they thought I was someone else - kept calling me "Matt". My name is John. LMAO

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2 hours ago, ya-gabor said:

 

On the other side of the pond they solved the “problem” of discussion about this kit very fast. Simply banned discussion by closing down the forum with the pretext that the kit is already released. In the cradle of democracy discussion or independent opinions are not something that are welcome.

 

Well actually the AMK F-14 kit is not released, only handful of the kits have been sent out to reviewers.

 

Best regards

Gabor

 

If a thread doesn't make any sense anymore - like this one - the subject has beaten to death, "know and see it" alls repeat them over and over again - like on this one, if personal insults 

creep in - like on this one - then I'm all for closing a thread down. This should have been done with this one long time ago - what a waste of time!!!!

Lothar
 

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31 minutes ago, polybebber said:

 

If a thread doesn't make any sense anymore - like this one - the subject has beaten to death, "know and see it" alls repeat them over and over again - like on this one, if personal insults 

creep in - like on this one - then I'm all for closing a thread down. This should have been done with this one long time ago - what a waste of time!!!!

Lothar
 

Nah, I don't think so, if you think this thread makes no sense and is a waste of time, then LOL why waste your time with this thread?  It's not closed down because others may have different option about it than yours. Anyway, Gabor summarized it pretty well,  I totally agree with him. Oh and over there they don't just closed it down, they delete information they don't like beforehand, which are very often respectful and interesting discussions.

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There is nonsense in about every thread in all forums but there is also useful information, opinions, discussion, expressing individual points of view . . .  also. Which can be used in making a better choice, forming opinion, or building a better modell. After all this is what this hobby is about, or am I wrong???

 

So we should close down about every forum if there are occasional silly comments????  (including my joke from yesterday, lets not forget it!)  :))

 

The only difference with this ARC thread is in its number of pages and years that it has been going on accumulating that much more nonsense along the way. When it was getting out of hand and pointless Terry did close it down for a period.

 

But now the kit is in hands of some people and should be released soon, so there is a real reason for talking about it.

 

Best regards

Gabor

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2 hours ago, delide said:

Yeah, how they run their forum makes me shake my head... Anyway, it's their forum but the delete pictures do not belongs to them and are still in the Internet of course, so I will post them here, I'm not the original poster, the story is that a F-14 enthusiast noticed something weird with the front of the built up AMK kit, so he's done overlay of the Tamiya and AMK kits with a Grumman drawing, the blue circles mark the matched reference points:

 

1UepDzA.jpg  

This is the Tamiya kit, I must say that I'm amazed, never thought a overlay would work this well, it's not just the external outline of the nose and windshield that matches, even the seat cushions match amazingly well, the kit's pilot figures are basically sitting perfectly in the seats of the drawing, even the flight stick looks to be perfectly placed for the pilot to grasp... I have to say if there is a kit that is near perfect shapewise, my money is on the Tamiya F-14. 

 

cQLzPnW.jpg

 

No sure about what's exactly happening with the AMK's kit there, the nose tips and end of canopy match, but in the middle... maybe inaccurate drawing has been used, one will need to have the kit in hand to have a clue. I never suspected that there might be such issue at the front, so it surprised me too, but all my attention has all been drawn to the rear side.😄   

 

Interesting delide. I don't know how valid these kind of comparisons are, but I will say that I had noticed the low canopy in a number of photos of the AMK kit builds. Hadn't said anything as I didn't know if what I was seeing was caused by some issue with the photo or not. But now... very interesting. Thanks for posting. What we need now is someone to take some measurements of both the AMK and Tamiya kits.

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37 minutes ago, Mstor said:

 

Interesting delide. I don't know how valid these kind of comparisons are, but I will say that I had noticed the low canopy in a number of photos of the AMK kit builds. Hadn't said anything as I didn't know if what I was seeing was caused by some issue with the photo or not. But now... very interesting. Thanks for posting. What we need now is someone to take some measurements of both the AMK and Tamiya kits.

You're welcome, but all credits to the original poster though. I just had a feeling that someone didn't like it and wanted this piece of interesting information to disappear, so I feel totally obligated to spread it around for those, who might have missed it :-) 

 

I think the overlays are really good jobs, the reference points are perfectly chosen, anyway, I don't believe that it's distortions or inaccuracies, that the Tamiya matched perfectly 😉 

 

Judging by some of the posts here, I'd say it's really smart that you haven't said anything about it :-) I think it's difficult to notice and even more so to show it clearly, even for those, who are open and willing to see.

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3 hours ago, polybebber said:

 

If a thread doesn't make any sense anymore - like this one - the subject has beaten to death, "know and see it" alls repeat them over and over again - like on this one, if personal insults 

creep in - like on this one - then I'm all for closing a thread down. This should have been done with this one long time ago - what a waste of time!!!!

Lothar
 

And yet here you are posting a comment in it....

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14 hours ago, ChesshireCat said:

 

       I don't understand a critical post from you, as you've stated you have no interest in the AMK kit. 

 


Because, like I said, they lied to their customers and acted in intentionally deceptive business practices

I am critical of them because they need to be held accountable, not rewarded. 

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LOL you guys... some of you guys become giddy to have another "topic to discuss" :) all fine.. 

 

Bring me an F-14 side view image and I will show you AMK F-14, Tamiya F-14 and "real F-14" will look all very similar within 1mm of each. That comparison means only Tamiya used that very drawing as reference. I know even drawings from grumman itself sometimes do not match to each other. 

 

Seriously, 300 will be easy 😄 I think we are looking at 500. 

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