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5 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said:

Seriously, 300 will be easy¬†ūüėĄ¬†I think we are looking at 500.¬†

THAT's the spirit! I likes the way you think. With a can do attitude like that we'll reach 300 in no time!

 

Seriously though, it's funny how people think if they are not¬†interested in, or are a little annoyed with a thread that they feel has no value, then their answer isn't "I'm not interested I think I'll skip clicking on this today". Their answer is "This thread makes no sense and has little value to me (therefore¬†can't have value to anyone else...hmmm?) so I think this thread should be removed and/or closed from people posting in it. It's gone on far too long for anyone to find it useful". Meanwhile it's the highest viewed thread on this site. So yeah, obviously nobody is interested in it. That's why they keep coming to it. To show their lack of interest. Reminds me of the old saying by Yogi Berra "nobody goes there, it's too crowded."¬†ūüėā

 

Oh well, to each his own I suppose.

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20 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said:

I know even drawings from grumman itself sometimes do not match to each other.

 

That is why I added a caveat to my comment about the overlays. Even drawings from the manufacturer can be off or inaccurate. I just found it interesting that the drawings showed the AMK canopy too be too low compared to the Tamiya and there is photographic evidence confirming it. Again, it does not prove anything. We need measurements of both kits to determine if there is, in fact, a discrepancy, and if so, further research to determine who's is more accurate. Let's just say for now that something is worth following up on. OK?

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15 minutes ago, niart17 said:

THAT's the spirit! I likes the way you think. With a can do attitude like that we'll reach 300 in no time!

 

Seriously though, it's funny how people think if they are not¬†interested in, or are a little annoyed with a thread that they feel has no value, then their answer isn't "I'm not interested I think I'll skip clicking on this today". Their answer is "This thread makes no sense and has little value to me (therefore¬†can't have value to anyone else...hmmm?) so I think this thread should be removed and/or closed from people posting in it. It's gone on far too long for anyone to find it useful". Meanwhile it's the highest viewed thread on this site. So yeah, obviously nobody is interested in it. That's why they keep coming to it. To show their lack of interest. Reminds me of the old saying by Yogi Berra "nobody goes there, it's too crowded."¬†ūüėā

 

Oh well, to each his own I suppose.

 

I wonder who has contributed more to this thread? Those who actually discuss the model and the potential issues or its features, or those that complain about the thread? :whistle:

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37 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said:

Bring me an F-14 side view image and I will show you AMK F-14, Tamiya F-14 and "real F-14" will look all very similar within 1mm of each. That comparison means only Tamiya used that very drawing as reference. I know even drawings from grumman itself sometimes do not match to each other. 

 

LOL, all similar yes, we don't expect modern F-14 kits to look not similar¬†as the subject is not different? The comparison images already show¬†that there are sufficient difference with the position of the windshield and front seat there, more than 1mm I recon, but that doesn't matter,¬† I guess your conclusion from the fact that Tamiya matched the Grumman drawing, is that drawing must be¬†wrong?¬†ūüėā¬†I hope that Tamiya didn't really pay Grumman then.

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4 hours ago, Mstor said:

 

Interesting delide. I don't know how valid these kind of comparisons are, but I will say that I had noticed the low canopy in a number of photos of the AMK kit builds. Hadn't said anything as I didn't know if what I was seeing was caused by some issue with the photo or not. But now... very interesting. Thanks for posting. What we need now is someone to take some measurements of both the AMK and Tamiya kits.

 

Canopy is not too low, it seems too short in proportions (sorry for the poor quality):

 

 

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Easy to find out If someone can measure both Tamiya and AMK canopies...

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9 minutes ago, Andrea Bolla said:

 

Canopy is not too low, it seems too short in proportions (sorry for the poor quality):

 

 

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Easy to find out If someone can measure both Tamiya and AMK canopies...

Wow, thanks for the new picture! It looks like that the drawing has been scaled down in length till the canopies match? That would mean that the proportion of the entire front would be off, if the total length of the kit is correct.

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1 hour ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:


Because, like I said, they lied to their customers and acted in intentionally deceptive business practices

I am critical of them because they need to be held accountable, not rewarded. 

Well, since you haven't pre ordered the kit nor plan to purchase it, by definition you are not a customer. So your interest in looking out for me, as one who has pre ordered 5 and prepaid for two, while admirable is totally unwanted, nor needed. I have read your claims about how "AMK lied and misled their customers" however all they are really guilty of is hyperbole and if that is now a crime in this day and age of arguments over crowd and hand sizes, then you better start building a million more prisons. And once again, since you are not, nor do you intend to be a customer, I believe your feigned outrage is simply being used to mask your overt hostility for the company.

 

Also, their business practices would ONLY be considered deceptive if they took money for something they had no intention to deliver. I think they've made it clear they intend to release this kit, come hell or high water, much I am sure to your chagrin. Now as to whether the kit will be accurate or even as you've quoted, "THE most accurate Tomcat produced," well the jury is out and I suspect even if it were THE most accurate, the T fanboys would howl at the outrage, facts be damned.

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31 minutes ago, madmanrick said:

Well, since you haven't pre ordered the kit nor plan to purchase it, by definition you are not a customer. So your interest in looking out for me, as one who has pre ordered 5 and prepaid for two, while admirable is totally unwanted, nor needed. I have read your claims about how "AMK lied and misled their customers" however all they are really guilty of is hyperbole and if that is now a crime in this day and age of arguments over crowd and hand sizes, then you better start building a million more prisons. And once again, since you are not, nor do you intend to be a customer, I believe your feigned outrage is simply being used to mask your overt hostility for the company.

 

Also, their business practices would ONLY be considered deceptive if they took money for something they had no intention to deliver. I think they've made it clear they intend to release this kit, come hell or high water, much I am sure to your chagrin. Now as to whether the kit will be accurate or even as you've quoted, "THE most accurate Tomcat produced," well the jury is out and I suspect even if it were THE most accurate, the T fanboys would howl at the outrage, facts be damned.


Well, let me explain something to you

I DID pre-order the kit, the vendor I pre-ordered TWO from kindly let me out of my obligation and refunded the deposit because of the delays. I *was* going to be a customer, I had *committed* to being a customer, I *have* purchased a MiG-32 and Kfir from them. 

I'm not speaking for you, I don't care if you order 25 of the damn things from them, I personally do not appreciate the way they treated the community so I personally will continue my criticism, as will others.  

Thus far AMK has not admitted they acted in a deceptive manner, or even that they straight up lied (IE "fixing issues in the test shots" when they didn't at all). 

 

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38 minutes ago, delide said:

Wow, thanks for the new picture! It looks like that the drawing has been scaled down in length till the canopies match? That would mean that the proportion of the entire front would be off, if the total length of the kit is correct.

 

I just tried to extract the overlay from the picture posted above and scaled the underlying image to match the windscreen edge.

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35 minutes ago, Andrea Bolla said:

 

I just tried to extract the overlay from the picture posted above and scaled the underlying image to match the windscreen edge.

I see, the photo of the kit has been stretched out, nice job! Looks like the canopy may be too short indeed, that would be a proportion issue of the entire front then.

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5 minutes ago, delide said:

I see, the photo of the kit has been stretched out, nice job! Looks like the canopy may be too short indeed, that would be a proportion issue of the entire front then.

 

It's possible; several pages ago someone commented about the position of the steps relative to the intake lip...

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3 hours ago, niart17 said:

Seriously though, it's funny how people think if they are not interested in, or are a little annoyed with a thread that they feel has no value, then their answer isn't "I'm not interested I think I'll skip clicking on this today". Their answer is "This thread makes no sense and has little value to me (therefore can't have value to anyone else...hmmm?) so I think this thread should be removed and/or closed from people posting in it. It's gone on far too long for anyone to find it useful". Meanwhile it's the highest viewed thread on this site. So yeah, obviously nobody is interested in it. That's why they keep coming to it. To show their lack of interest. Reminds me of the old saying by Yogi Berra "nobody goes there, it's too crowded." 

 

 

This thread is like watching a train wreck- I just can’t look away....

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40 minutes ago, habu2 said:

 

This thread is like watching a train wreck- I just can’t look away....

I hear ya. BUT if you really get down to it and ignore all the back and forth about what should and should not be posted...there really is a lot of very interesting information and conversation about not only this model and the manufacturing techniques used, but also about F-14's in general. It's actually quite an interesting thread. And sure, if goes a little sideways from time to time. But what else is new? 

Bill

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1 hour ago, Jonathan_Lotton said:


Well, let me explain something to you

I DID pre-order the kit, the vendor I pre-ordered TWO from kindly let me out of my obligation and refunded the deposit because of the delays. I *was* going to be a customer, I had *committed* to being a customer, I *have* purchased a MiG-32 and Kfir from them. 

I'm not speaking for you, I don't care if you order 25 of the damn things from them, I personally do not appreciate the way they treated the community so I personally will continue my criticism, as will others.  

Thus far AMK has not admitted they acted in a deceptive manner, or even that they straight up lied (IE "fixing issues in the test shots" when they didn't at all).

As I suspected, some people just want to watch the world burn, to (mis)quote Alfred.

 

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2 hours ago, Andrea Bolla said:

I just tried to extract the overlay from the picture posted above and scaled the underlying image to match the windscreen edge.

 

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The 3 Grumman F-14A drawings shown above (each over 10,000 X 4,000 pixels) can be purchased ($3.00) and downloaded here:
http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/

 

Here is one of the best side profile pics I've found of the nose section of an F-14D:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Navy/Grumman-F-14D-Tomcat/842204/L

 

The drawings are a very close match to the photo.

The rear canopy on the photo is slightly taller (more blown) than the drawing, but I seem to recall reading that the D did have a taller rear canopy than the A (can any knowledgable Tomcat fans confirm?).

 

I haven't had time to do any analysis since photos of the completed build were released.
Areas that caught my eye were the nose, canopy and wing gloves.
I'm also curious as to why there is a big gap between the slat and glove. Do the separate slats actually match up to the wing? Do they match the slats on the wings that have them molded closed?

 

I'm waiting to see a build with the wings swept to see how the wing position will impact fixing the rear section.

 

:cheers:

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3 hours ago, Zactoman said:

I haven't had time to do any analysis since photos of the completed build were released.

 

Looking forward to when you can find the time to do so. Nice to know that the Grumman drawings appear to be fairly accurate. Makes them a reasonable starting point for comparison to both the AMK and Tamiya kits. This is the kind of analysis that I look for. It is, unfortunately, beyond my abilities to do on my own. I am grateful that you and other knowledgeable people can take the time to do the "grunt work" of this kind of analysis.

Cheers!

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3 hours ago, Zactoman said:

 

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The 3 Grumman F-14A drawings shown above (each over 10,000 X 4,000 pixels) can be purchased ($3.00) and downloaded here:
http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/

 

Here is one of the best side profile pics I've found of the nose section of an F-14D:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Navy/Grumman-F-14D-Tomcat/842204/L

 

The drawings are a very close match to the photo.

The rear canopy on the photo is slightly taller (more blown) than the drawing, but I seem to recall reading that the D did have a taller rear canopy than the A (can any knowledgable Tomcat fans confirm?).

 

I haven't had time to do any analysis since photos of the completed build were released.
Areas that caught my eye were the nose, canopy and wing gloves.
I'm also curious as to why there is a big gap between the slat and glove. Do the separate slats actually match up to the wing? Do they match the slats on the wings that have them molded closed?

 

I'm waiting to see a build with the wings swept to see how the wing position will impact fixing the rear section.

 

:cheers:

Yes, the F-14D did have a different canopy then the one used on the F-14A/B. The difference was that it was slightly taller in the back and the thickness of the plexiglass was thinner (to allow the seat to eject through the canopy). Note: the windscreen stayed the same for all Tomcats, just the canopy's were different.

 

You could put a F-14D canopy on a F-14A/B (it was done, saved one pilots life in one case) but it was illegal to put a F-14A/B canopy on a Delta due to the fact that the plexiglass was thicker and the seat would have a harder time punching through it.

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11 hours ago, Mstor said:

 

That is why I added a caveat to my comment about the overlays. Even drawings from the manufacturer can be off or inaccurate. I just found it interesting that the drawings showed the AMK canopy too be too low compared to the Tamiya and there is photographic evidence confirming it. Again, it does not prove anything. We need measurements of both kits to determine if there is, in fact, a discrepancy, and if so, further research to determine who's is more accurate. Let's just say for now that something is worth following up on. OK?

A factory drawing is not a blue print! Blueprints are accurate in shape and layout. Drawings are just a work aid, and not anything more. 

Gary

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