masanissa Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I should have added ‘soothsayers’. 🤣 Sorry but your AMK F-14D is not "The Best F-14D" ever. It's flawed, but not fatally, so they'll earn some money. That's how the rubber hits the road. Trying to insult me by calling me a "soothsayer" shows you don't have any valid points to make. Great Wall has a track record of fixing the kits they make. Did you buy the AMK kit? Have you measured it and compared it to the very accurate Tamiya kit like I have? So argue the facts here and stop making personal attacks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The kit is a mess. The Experten are right. The flaws are facts no matter how you want to make them go away. I've held the actual plastic in my hands, since my friend got his kit that he ordered from overseas. It was compared to the Tamiya, and Hobby Boss kits. They had bragged and billed it as "The Best 1/48 F-14D ever!" but had to take those words back because of numerous errors. The first test shots with the very wide hips, missing actuator bump. wrong angle on the refueling probe door, etc . . . caused more than a THREE YEAR delay in the release of the kit. They put a band aid on most of the shape problems. But they never solved the problems with the refueling probe door, weird wing gloves, the gap between the top of the wings and the top of the fuselage, or the strange slope on the rear fuselage. The kit will be like having to carve on a block of wood to make it look accurate. They can't boast about having "The Best Tomcat". Tamiya rules that roost , next is Hasegawa, then Hobby Boss. The AMK kit is like most of the Hollywood actresses I meet here in LA. They are caked with make-up, photographed, posed, and lit to look like they're very beautiful, but when you meet them at the Studio you think, "My god what the , , , happened to her? She's looks nothing like she does in the movies." Great Wall Hobbies is about to enter the market. They won't boast about their F-14D kit. They'll let the plastic do the talking, and if there are shape issues with the kit, then GWH will do what they did with their MiG-29, P-61, and F-15 - They'll fix it and make it perfect. You can add those, saw on modelforum.cz: Someone was in a hurry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgrease Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 We're still talking about a plastic model airplane, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Not buildable 😂😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Still can't put it to bed!!! Most everybody is ready to just build a kit instead of pointing out imaginary flaws. Gary I'm still soooo confused. Not supposed to talk about flaws before the kits comes out. And now being told not supposed to after it's released? It's almost as if it's taboo to talk about this kit in any critical or critiquing way at all. ALMOST as if there's a shut up and build it mentality or something. I just can't keep up with these things.😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Someone was in a hurry. It's not a matter of being in a hurry. It's a matter of having a CAD peer review process or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It's a nice build so far. The engineering for the flaps, slats and spoilers is really nice and easy post painting assembly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quang Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Sorry but your AMK F-14D is not "The Best F-14D" ever. It's flawed, but not fatally, so they'll earn some money. That's how the rubber hits the road. Trying to insult me by calling me a "soothsayer" shows you don't have any valid points to make. Great Wall has a track record of fixing the kits they make. Did you buy the AMK kit? Have you measured it and compared it to the very accurate Tamiya kit like I have? So argue the facts here and stop making personal attacks. I said ‘soothsayer’ because of what you said in your previous post. In Your own words: “Great Wall Hobbies is about to enter the market. They won't boast about their F-14D kit. They'll let the plastic do the talking, and if there are shape issues with the kit, then GWH will do what they did with their MiG-29, P-61, and F-15 - They'll fix it and make it perfect.“ The prediction makes you a soothsayer. I don’t even need to insult you. You provided the very stick to beat you. Now who’s ridiculous? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I said ‘soothsayer’ because of what you said in your previous post. In Your own words: “Great Wall Hobbies is about to enter the market. They won't boast about their F-14D kit. They'll let the plastic do the talking, and if there are shape issues with the kit, then GWH will do what they did with their MiG-29, P-61, and F-15 - They'll fix it and make it perfect.“ The prediction makes you a soothsayer. I don’t even need to insult you. You provided the very stick to beat you. Now who’s ridiculous? Errr... those are just his assumptions or expectations based on what GWH did in the past, that make him a what??? Anyway, he has the kit and posted his opinions about it, if you don't seem to care why bother. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Still can't put it to bed!!! Most everybody is ready to just build a kit instead of pointing out imaginary flaws. Gary No offence, I'm rather impressed by the ability of many of applying imaginary fixes 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) It's not a matter of being in a hurry. It's a matter of having a CAD peer review process or not. That looks like someone mixed up parts from different development stages (i.e. some older test tooling and the final one). Edited October 23, 2019 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan_Lotton Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Still can't put it to bed!!! Most everybody is ready to just build a kit instead of pointing out imaginary flaws. Gary I must have a powerful imagination if others are seeing what I'm seeing as well Again, it boils down to personal preference and what a person is willing to live with and what they're not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I must have a powerful imagination if others are seeing what I'm seeing as well Again, it boils down to personal preference and what a person is willing to live with and what they're not. Here is what I don't understand. You've stated you have no interest in the AMK kit, but apparently you can't get it off your mind. You've made a bee line to the front to bash the kit you have no interest it. I don't see anybody busting the Tamiya kit on this thread, but you can bet the farm some would like to. For me the Tamiya was OK, but nothing more. I saw issues, but let it go. What we need is an ignore button like other forums have Gsry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 No offense intended but ignore really doesn't need a button. It's pretty simple. You see something and you can choose to ignore or respond. You don't see the issue with the kit, fine, then say you don't feel there are issues and move on to build it or ignore or whatever. Other's say they see something that's an issue to them, you can respond and/or ignore without a button. Either way that doesn't change that there are perceived (real or imaginary) issues with the kit. But it was stated long ago that those issues shouldn't be harped on before the kit is even created (even though the company itself asked for feedback and reportedly fixed some issues based on that feedback that was being bashed for providing) And now once the kit is out and pictures are available of the actual kit in hand, you're saying to drop the issues and just build the kit? That's an indication that at no time during the process is it ok to point out perceived flaws in this kit. So in my mind, that defeats the purpose of a discussion board if the discussion is only to be one sided. True? That's all. You don't feel any of what others are seeing is an issue. Then it's not an issue....to you. And that's great. It is to others....and that's ok too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Glad to see this topic is still chugging along. .......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 🔥🔥🔥 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 🔥🔥🔥 I see your 🔥 🔥 🔥 and raise you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I see your 🔥 🔥 🔥 and raise you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Whoa, to rich for me. I fold. Think I'll go play the slots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Glad to see this topic is still chugging along. .......... Hey there. Long time. Good to hear from you again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Whoa, to rich for me. I fold. Think I'll go play the slots. Yeah, Zacto's a high roller. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldog 09 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Oh Lord here we go again. Buckle up boys this is going to be fun . Dave Fassett Edited October 24, 2019 by Bulldog 09 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Helmsman Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Somebody please wake me up when it is over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Hey there. Long time. Good to hear from you again! Hey Mark, still around...just busy with other stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masanissa Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I said ‘soothsayer’ because of what you said in your previous post. In Your own words: “Great Wall Hobbies is about to enter the market. They won't boast about their F-14D kit. They'll let the plastic do the talking, and if there are shape issues with the kit, then GWH will do what they did with their MiG-29, P-61, and F-15 - They'll fix it and make it perfect.“ The prediction makes you a soothsayer. I don’t even need to insult you. You provided the very stick to beat you. Now who’s ridiculous? Not a prediction. GWH makes GREAT Models. They HAVE corrected their kits that have had issues. I named them. Those are facts. You on the other hand make statements that are never based on fact or reality. And now here you are again trying to be cute by again personally insulting me. "The prediction makes you a soothsayer. I don’t even need to insult you. You provided the very stick to beat you. Now who’s ridiculous?" That's all you can do? Insult people? You made the claim, since those who received the kit weren't commenting on its flaws, that the "experten" were wrong and that the AMK kit is perfect. I shared my comparisons after holding AMK's F-14D in my own hands. Yep, it's got numerous issues. Did you even bother to buy a AMK F-14D? Take pictures please. Back up your assertions, or go away and post insults somewhere else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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