niart17 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 ruh roh. Just a friendly casual observation/piece of advice. Be careful posting personal attacks, or anything sounding like it here. That is a sure fire way to get not only this thread locked down, but potentially banned from the site. I'm not an admin and carry no weight what-so-ever (well except for the doughnut belly weight but let's not go there) But I'd hate to see this thread go away after all this work. It's been enlightening for so many reasons so lets keep it civil and on track. I notice both of you guys are relatively new here so I just thought maybe a good heads-up would benefit you guys. Ok, carry on. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madcop Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 "That is a sure fire way to get not only this thread locked down," I sure wouldn't complain if it were and would be happy to see it replaced by a thread dealing with "How to deal about the feeling of frustration" because it is what this thread has become , and the culprits are not the ones we are thinking of! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niart17 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I suppose one could start a new thread that dealt with whatever aspects one would wish about this, or any other kit. I don't think there's a law stating that a new thread about it can't be started. Just pointing that out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Arrival at Processing Center (Country code: PE) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masanissa Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 You can add those, saw on modelforum.cz: Someone was in a hurry. Wow! That's just . . . disappointing to see. Looks like a research paper written at the last minute while ignoring spell check. The panel lines near the intake lip?????? and all the rest. Why is there such inconsistency here? I don't think any other AMK kit had issues like this. There are those that will be happy with their kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Wow! That's just . . . disappointing to see. Looks like a research paper written at the last minute while ignoring spell check. The panel lines near the intake lip?????? and all the rest. Why is there such inconsistency here? I don't think any other AMK kit had issues like this. There are those that will be happy with their kits. The one on the right seems more refined. It's almost as if they made some error and used the old CAD for the left part. Fortunately it's on the bottom side so I'll still get the kit, but it would be nice if AMK would mold the corrected part and make it available for their customers through the distributors. Perhaps for the next production run? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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dylan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 wow that's pretty bad. this whole kit development has been one big dumpster fire after another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Can we not get a photo of this from someone that is directly here and has the kit in hand? I only ask cause it seems the issues are popping up from third-party sources and not anyone here. Just a thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masanissa Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Can we not get a photo of this from someone that is directly here and has the kit in hand? I only ask cause it seems the issues are popping up from third-party sources and not anyone here. Just a thought. These two photos are from two different sources. The plastic in the box is this plastic. Photography captures reality - to a degree - so these are facts that can be accepted by everyone. I doubt these two sources for the photographs are part of some super secret cabal out to take down a minor company that makes plastic kits. I get it that there are consumers who really don't care about the quality of the products they buy. But then there are many of us who value the effort that we put in, trading the time out of our lives, earning money. The $65 I gave AMK for this kit represents part of my life. The product should then measure up to the value I place on my life. AMKs effort here has fallen short of their own stated goal of making "The Best F-14D" ever. As consumers we can evaluate this kit, compare it to the competition, and decide which kit it is we wish to trade part of our dollars=time=life for. BTW I won't trust any of the Influencers AMK gave the kit to before it was allowed to get an impartial review. They are a business and they want to make a profit. I have no problem with that. However to post a blurry photo of the rear fuselage resting on top of respected scale plans and claim the kit has no issues, when it clearly does, tells me a lot about AMK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) I can confirm that the pics above reflect the plastic that is contained within the two kits I have received. For some reason I cannot upload the pics I took, so I can only confirm verbally. Edited October 27, 2019 by madmanrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I have maintained since the release of the test shot plastic that we should withhold judgement, until such time as the actual kit was released. But, now many of us have this kit in hand, so let the flames begin (if that's what float your boat). However, those flames should only be directed at said plastic and not any one person or group. If this kit represents the Kitty Hawkization of the model industry to you, well so be it. Now that it is actually for sale, let the kit speak for itself or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I can confirm that the pics above reflect the plastic that is contained within the two kits I have received. For some reason I cannot upload the pics I took, so I can only confirm verbally. Thanks Rick, that's basically what I was looking to hear or see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) From all the fictitious errors I have seen mentioned here, this the first one that appears to be a real one. And one that is not easy to fix, without a good experience in re-scribing details. That it is at the under side is some comfort, but not for detailers, like myself. Bummer! Edited October 27, 2019 by DIO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Space Tiger Hobbes Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 What exactly are you trying to show with the photos - differences in left and right trunks, quality differences in the panel lines left vs right, accuracy of panel lines, or what? Looking at mine, I see a difference in how the hinges (?) were represented, but the panel lines on both look nice and sharp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I see a difference in how the hinges (?) were represented, but the panel lines on both look nice and sharp. No, those panel lines are not sharp and nice. Definitely.Those lines on the right inlet are such nice and sharp, but mostly panel lines on AMK F-14D are very wide and shallow, what looks really, really bad for me. I do believe such soapy panel lines are one of the major issues of this kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Space Tiger Hobbes Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Thanks. So not an accuracy thing. Sharp enough for me, but agree, they're shallow. Nothing a scribing tool won't fix. Pretty easy. Hope you don't get a look at the new Eduard 1/48 P-51D. Very similar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Disagree completely with the statement that the panel lines are wide and shallow. They are finer than previous iterations in AMK kits, but that is in reaction to what some called the overly wide and deep panel lines in the AMK MiG-31 (which were and are not a problem for me). For me the panel lines on their F-14D are acceptable in terms of depth and sharpness for the most part (there are inconsistencies). MY takeaway from the photos posted above are that the kit panel lines are not consistent between the intake shrouds. In other words, what is engraved on the left is not what is engraved on the right and that is also the case with my kits, so it isn't a pre-production error. While the difference won't affect the building of the kit and will hardly be noticable when the kit is complete, they DO exist and it should have never happened, particularly with the extended gestation of this kit. I believe it shows an inattention to detail by persons completely unfamiliar with the subject matter. Deal breaker? No (at least for me). But combined with the incorrectly located refueling probe door and other reported errors, it does make one question what AMK was looking at when this kit was being designed. For the most part AMK got the basic shapes right (reported errors notwithstanding) and it looks like an F-14D to my eyes. But, there are some very inexplicable choices that were made during the design phase, that either were missed or ignored for whatever reason. This is inexcusable and something that AMK will need to fix before they release another kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shadrik Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Weren't there a bunch more pages here? I could have sworn we were up to 264, am I mixing up forums? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Hmmm....had a bunch of posts deleted...don't really understand why. I think the pictures with tape comparing cross sections of the hip area with tamiya were quite helpful... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Steve posted in another thread the forum database got corrupted and the restore db is from 28 October so there’s your gap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ridinshotgun Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Hopefully the poster that posted the pictures with the tape overlays on the hips repost. That was an informative post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Lots of things vanished overnight not only in this topic! Best regards Gabor Edited October 31, 2019 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Solo said: Hips don't lie: So this was saved in my cookies, so here ya go! Also I believe the loss was due to a conspiracy to prevent us from reaching the mythical 300 page mark and someone from earning the promised two kits from Sio. (actually I really don't, I am being facetious) Edited October 31, 2019 by madmanrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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