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20 minutes ago, FlyAndFight said:

It truly is a shame that the errors were not caught and/or addressed before manufacturing started.

Caught? Yes....Adressed? Maybe not so much.

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30 minutes ago, FlyAndFight said:

I see some great ingenuity mixed in with some unnecessary errors.

This.

I'm looking over the kit right now and so far all of the errors pointed out seem validated (, IMHO).

As time permits, I'm going to do some digging and see if I can't figure this thing out.

 

:cheers:

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1 hour ago, Zactoman said:

This.

I'm looking over the kit right now and so far all of the errors pointed out seem validated (, IMHO).

As time permits, I'm going to do some digging and see if I can't figure this thing out.

 

:cheers:

You mean you're going to continue to "bash" this kit? You hater! :whistle:

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1 hour ago, niart17 said:

You mean you're going to continue to "bash" this kit? You hater! :whistle:

 

No, now he is going to make (some) bucks out of it. AMK may have missed something, he won't ! 😉

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1 hour ago, niart17 said:

You mean you're going to continue to "bash" this kit? You hater! :whistle:

I need to properly compose my thoughts, but will likely have some good things to say about the kit and AMK (and I'm going to bash the kit :taunt:).

 

32 minutes ago, madcop said:

 

No, now he is going to make (some) bucks out of it. AMK may have missed something, he won't ! 😉

I doubt I'll be doing any aftermarket for this, at least the hips. I suspect that a proper fix would involve too many parts at a higher cost than most would be willing to pay. I suppose some band-aids might be possible, we'll see.

I am hoping to diagnose the underlying problem(s) and possibly make suggestions on how builders can fix it themselves.

 

:cheers:

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26 minutes ago, Zactoman said:

I need to properly compose my thoughts, but will likely have some good things to say about the kit and AMK (and I'm going to bash the kit :taunt:).

 

I doubt I'll be doing any aftermarket for this, at least the hips. I suspect that a proper fix would involve too many parts at a higher cost than most would be willing to pay. I suppose some band-aids might be possible, we'll see.

I am hoping to diagnose the underlying problem(s) and possibly make suggestions on how builders can fix it themselves.

 

:cheers:

 

Careful!  You'll be accused of being a rival model company and personal insults will follow!  :wmsmiley-poop-hits-the-fan:

 

Can't wait to see your thoughts and judgement!

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45 minutes ago, ridinshotgun said:

 

Careful!  You'll be accused of being a rival model company and personal insults will follow!  :wmsmiley-poop-hits-the-fan:

 

Can't wait to see your thoughts and judgement!

 

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Keep up the good job.

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5 hours ago, Zactoman said:

This.

I'm looking over the kit right now and so far all of the errors pointed out seem validated (, IMHO).

As time permits, I'm going to do some digging and see if I can't figure this thing out.

 

:cheers:

 

Glad you decided to give it a closer look. I will admit, there is a lot to like about the kit. The level of detailing is very nice, approaching what GWH has done with their Su-35 kits.  I am looking forward to discovering what the root causes of these issues are. Somewhere in the fuselage they made some fundamental error that has propagated into the rear of the airframe and caused the problems we are seeing.

I agree with you that trying to create a fix would likely turn into an expensive affair. In the end its all just a shame, as this kit could have been much more. Oh well... :dontknow:

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29 minutes ago, haneto said:

Obvious or not, judge by yourself.

 

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Haneto, do you know when GWH will release their 1/48th scale F-14?

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This is good time for GWH to release their Tomcat: people are a little bitr dissapointed with AMK's F-14, and still looking for good quality kit with all option possible (including moving wing surfaces). If GWH could make Tomcat with such top quality as they did Su-35... it could be market bullseye.

 

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To throw out an opinion of someone that's primarily a lurker: this kit's a hard pass. For me it's up there with Kinetic's droopy nose F-16 as a never buy. I can't un-see the misshapen aft sides and to be specific it's the slope outboard of the vertical tails that makes the sides look pinched to me. I don't see the problem in the top view some have brought up, I think it may be a symptom of the slope issues. 

 

I only build 1/48 Korean War and newer. I have a stash of a couple hundred kits ranging from full resin and old Esci with plenty of modern plastic. There's way more than I'll probably ever finish, so I'm a bit selective about adding kits to the pile. I have a finished Monogram F-14 on the shelf with Tamiya and Hasegawa F-14s in the stash, so buying another for the stash should blow away what I already have. If shape errors are significant enough that I see them (and I'm no F-14 expert) without red lines all over photos that's a deal breaker.

 

For anyone at AMK that may read this: I've bought a couple of your kits that haven't been kitted recently or ever by someone else (L-29, Fouga Magister) just because they were unique. I opted for the Kinetic Kfir over the AMK because of shape issues. If you want to sell kits to someone like me, produce something no one else has produced, not something everyone seems to make like another F-104. If you are going to be 2nd or 10th to market with a plane it better be right.

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3 hours ago, Solo said:

This is good time for GWH to release their Tomcat: people are a little bitr dissapointed with AMK's F-14, and still looking for good quality kit with all option possible (including moving wing surfaces). If GWH could make Tomcat with such top quality as they did Su-35... it could be market bullseye.

 

 

Commercially, it's a smarter move to let the dust settle, the market relax, and present a better product 6 months/one year later.

And IMHO, 2020 will be a very good year for scale modelling in general,  in particular aviation modelling, bc Top Gun 2 tsunami is coming.

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GWH didn't announced their F-14 officially, so I don't think we will get it earier then during next 6-8 months.

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43 minutes ago, Solo said:

GWH didn't announced their F-14 officially, so I don't think we will get it earier then during next 6-8 months.

When it is announced  lets hope they start with second letter of the alphabet. Bravo, Bravo

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On 10/30/2019 at 8:46 PM, dryguy said:

Hmmm....had a bunch of posts deleted...don't really understand why. I think the pictures with tape comparing cross sections of the hip area with tamiya were quite helpful...

 

The posts about AMK's Indiegogo debacle were deleted.

 

That's okay. I was an Indiegogo backer. It's been almost three weeks (Oct 15th 2019) after Sio emailed me and promised my kit would be sent out "in just a few days" because they were too busy to mail it out, I emailed him today and told him to keep my money and not send me the kit I paid for. I'll take the hit and learn from my mistake.

 

It's not just the panel lines and shapes AMK messed up on.

 

This will probably be deleted too since it doesn't discuss the plastic.

 

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For some reason I can't find the pre-order for the kit (or the weapons set) on the Victory Models site.

 

Maybe they removed it?

 

Scott

CNJC-ipms

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1 hour ago, Solo said:

GWH didn't announced their F-14 officially, so I don't think we will get it earier then during next 6-8 months.

 

Great Wall has officially announced their 1/48 F-14. It will have dirty wings too!

 

Looks like it will be nice and won't require a 300 post thread:rofl:

 

Here's a write up on DNModels page

https://dnmodels.com/all/f-14a-from-great-wall-hobby/

 

F-14A Tomcat, Great Wall Hobby L4823 (2019)

 

f-14 tomcat great wall hobby new tooling dn models 1/48

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1 hour ago, masanissa said:

 

The posts about AMK's Indiegogo debacle were deleted.

 

FWIW, they weren't deleted, specifically.  There was an error with the board's software and it had to be reset to a version that was saved a couple of days earlier.  Everything that was posted from the 28th to the 30th was lost.  It sucks, but there really wasn't any other option.

 

So no, your (very valid) complaints weren't targeted by the mods for not being about the plastic.

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1 hour ago, F-16 said:

For some reason I can't find the pre-order for the kit (or the weapons set) on the Victory Models site.

 

Maybe they removed it?

Just a WAG, but perhaps they removed it from preorders and are putting it in the "just arrived" category? Although it doesn't show up at all on their page under any category.

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The photos shown by Haneto confirm what we know- the slope is too great particularly where the engine nacelle meets the wing bags. I do also think that the planview is ever so slightly too curved- the pictures that solo provided seem to show that. Zactoman- you will be doing us a great service if you can point out the shape issues and possible fixes. On the plus side, at least most of the issues seem to be fixable with putty/resin and sanding. One of the things that put me off fixing the Academy kit was the canopy-no putty can fix that. I do like the details on this kit. I also believe that there is still room in the market for a cheaper and more basic but essentially accurate F 14- something like the academy kit without the Quasimodo nose.

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21 hours ago, haneto said:

 

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Well, the hips on the AMK Tomcat kit suddenly remind me of those in my Tamiya 1/48 F-16C upper fuselage half kit that my wife melt down after placing them over the heater while she was dusting... :hmmm:

Looking at the slope from the side, could the depression be corrected if filled with Milliput and levelled out with the rest of the surface?

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