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3 hours ago, niart17 said:

Perhaps I missed it, but I can't recall anyone saying AMK made the mistakes on purpose.


I heard their CAD system was infected with the wannascribe virus and that random panel lines were removed from the CAD files by this virus.  
 

Reminds me of that styrene eating bacteria that was infecting kits back in the rec.models.scale era...

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On 11/10/2019 at 5:23 PM, zerosystem said:

Had to finish the build for a deadline so I wasn't able to get these up sooner:

Very nice build(s)! :thumbsup:

Did you happen to get any pics of one with swept wings from behind, showing the bladder area? I'd be curious to see if having them swept helps hide the hip problem.

 

On 11/9/2019 at 4:55 PM, gb_madcat_sl said:

However, I found my slats for both the clean and dirty wings to be molded correctly with complete panel lines and rivets. 

Hi Mark, are you certain you checked both separate slats for the dashed line vs solid line?

I find it hard to believe that if they did in fact re-tool that they would knowingly ship defective parts to customers. If that's acceptable I've got piles of reject parts that I can start shipping.

 

On 11/10/2019 at 12:31 PM, Mstor said:

Could this be a problem that is occurring during the actual pressing of the parts? In any case, how is all this getting past QA?

There's no way that the molding process could produce a dashed line.

Hard to believe it could get past QA unless they are only (quickly) looking for obvious molding problems (i.e. short shots) or missing parts that may have fallen off sprues.

This is something that must have been noticed on test shots and test builds. Again, if they retooled then these parts should never have reached customers.

 

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With the AMK and Tamiya sitting side-by-side, one area that immediately caught my eye was the forward fuselage. The AMK looked bigger. At first I thought it was just the darker plastic but then I put on my glasses (no joke... :coolio:).

 

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Some may say it's just a few thousands of an inch, but there's also a difference in the taper and curvature of the front end. The AMK just looks thick (and it's not just the forward fuselage).

 

The AMK cockpit opening and canopy is wider as well. Here is the Tamiya rear canopy sitting on the AMK kit. Note the amount of plastic visible on each side of the Tamiya canopy.

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The canopy arch is also different.

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The AMK rear canopy has two parting lines as has already been noted. The plastic looks nice and clear without distortion. As nice as it looked, the Tamiya canopy is amazingly clear and completely distortion free, possibly the best canopy I've seen.
The AMK windscreen is less impressive and does show a lot of distortion on the side panes. This is evident if you hold it up with light behind it. Fortunately it is less evident when it's sitting on something or mounted on the model, but there is some slight wobble visible.

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The AMK clear parts each have a single injection sprue with several overflow tabs so lots to clean up. The Tamiya parts have one injection sprue with zero overflow tabs.

Despite careful packaging the larger clear parts on my AMK kit all had stress marks at the injection points from flexing. The separate rear canopy parts had almost fallen off the sprues and the stress marks on them would show on the finished painted model.

 

More when time permits...

 

:cheers:

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5 hours ago, Zactoman said:

 

 

There's no way that the molding process could produce a dashed line.

I agree, if they were raised panels on the model MAYBE I could see that in a case where plastic might have failed to flow into the panel grooves in the mold due to not enough pressure or something. But for recessed model panel, in order for a section of a recess to be missing then the area around it would be have to be distorted as well because the line is raised above the surface on the mold. 

 

Thanks for the evaluation Zacto. I appreciate the effort it takes to do such an in depth look at a model. Often times we only see a final aftermarket product without seeing what kind of measuring and evaluating would have to be done in order to yield such a product. Even though you may not be doing it for that purpose in this case, it's still interesting to see how each person approaches the problem. Thanks and keep us up to date with your findings.

 

Bill

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On 11/4/2019 at 6:43 AM, flanker27 said:

Vicky from AMK just email me to confirm my address in indiegogo, so it seems those who pre-order from indiegogo should receive their kits soon I hope.

It's been a week since I heard from Vicky. Have you heard a peep?

 

Hmmmm :whistle:

 

Guess AMK is still sitting on their hands about mailing the kits to Indiegogo suckers (like me).

 

I'll wait a few more days before I, once again, ask them where the kits are.

 

SAD!

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I was looking at sprue "O" and noticed a few parts that I can't find  in the instructions...

F-14D Super Tomcat (Plastic model) Other picture16

 

Look at the parts directly to the left (center of the sprue) of the turbine wheels and between the fuel tank halves. There are four "square" parts. One with a long shaft on the end and a "square" on the other.

 

I am taking a guess that these parts are wheel chock halves????

 

Can someone take a look at sprue "O" and see what those 4 "square" parts are? I can't find any reference in the instructions.

 

Just curious..

 

Scott

CNJC-IPMS

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I was thinking the same, havent heard back from Vicki since a week ago. I am going to wait another week before emailing them about it.

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On 11/11/2019 at 10:18 PM, Zactoman said:

 

 

Front_ends_zpsl7pgvnnc.jpg

With the AMK and Tamiya sitting side-by-side, one area that immediately caught my eye was the forward fuselage. The AMK looked bigger. At first I thought it was just the darker plastic but then I put on my glasses (no joke... :coolio:).

 

Nose_top_dims_zpskf3ciuda.jpg

Some may say it's just a few thousands of an inch, but there's also a difference in the taper and curvature of the front end. The AMK just looks thick (and it's not just the forward fuselage).

 

The AMK cockpit opening and canopy is wider as well. Here is the Tamiya rear canopy sitting on the AMK kit. Note the amount of plastic visible on each side of the Tamiya canopy.

AMKwTam_canopy_zpsxm2bp6zk.jpg

 

The canopy arch is also different.

Arches_zpsbtxdkoxv.jpg

 

The AMK rear canopy has two parting lines as has already been noted. The plastic looks nice and clear without distortion. As nice as it looked, the Tamiya canopy is amazingly clear and completely distortion free, possibly the best canopy I've seen.

 

Thanks for taking the time to do all this work comparing kits to reality.

 

I appreciate the work and effort that went into engineering both the Tamiya and AMK kits. Tamiya's work does closely mimic reality in 1/48 scale.

 

I did look at a lot of photos of real F-14s. I like this one as a reference to compare the both kits front sections to. It sure is a beautiful airplane.

 

Iranian F-14 Tomcat Fighter Jets | Global Military Review

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Thanks for those shots @Zactoman.  For me I'm still trying to convince myself to love the Tamiya nose : (     Just for comparison purposes....it's this curvature below that I'm still straining to see on the Tamiya but is readily apparent on the Hasegawa.   I was wondering if you notice it on the AMK?   The Hasegawa nose makes me believe that there's a radar dish housed in there.

 

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I once wanted to graft the Hasegawa nose onto the Tamiya but there'll be a 2mm step to fix -- they were different by that much so it was just impossible to do.    I don't want to go back to a Hasegawa just for the nose, though, and make all those corrections around the model -- the Tamiya kit is just so much easier to build.   Gtypecanare did mention that Tamiya had access to the original Grumman blueprints and your comparisons put my mind at ease.  I'm just curious to know, though, if you notice any such curvature on the AMK nose?   It might be something that doesn't show on plan views.

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46 minutes ago, crackerjazz said:

I once wanted to graft the Hasegawa nose onto the Tamiya but there'll be a 2mm step to fix -- they were different by that much so it was just impossible to do.  

 

:hmmm:Jazz, where exactly is this 2mm step difference between the Tamiya and Hasegawa kits located at? I don't think it's at the radome, right? Is it aft on the forward fuselage?

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Yes at the base of the radome. 2mm difference measured vertically.  So you can't just saw off the Tamiya nose and replace it with the Hasegawa one-piece radome. 

 

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On 10/30/2019 at 2:26 PM, Zactoman said:

 

 

 

 

Edit: Added rear lines, resized AMK pic to match Tamiya pic

So I'm seeing that the aft fuselage between the vertical stab and the fuselage side of both parts is steeper in angle on the AMK part and flatter on the Tamiya part but the difference is more pronounced toward the front than toward the rear? Is that what you're pointing out? And how's this look on the real thing since to my knowledge the Navy never flew Tamiya F-14s? 

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21 hours ago, crackerjazz said:

Yes at the base of the radome. 2mm difference measured vertically.  So you can't just saw off the Tamiya nose and replace it with the Hasegawa one-piece radome. 

 

So, then I'd split the Hasegawa radome in half, horizontally, in order to add the 2mm difference with plastic card stock, instead of sanding/levelling the step on the AMK kit, that is. 2-mil is a lot to tangle with.

How do you think that would work? 

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You meant the Tamiya kit.  Sorry I wasn't clear -- it's the Hasegawa nose that's bigger.  The step will require sanding down the sides of the cone to make it fit the Tamiya so it's a scary proposition.  My half-built Hasegawas have their noses glued on already and I don't have any spares for testing, unfortunately.   I'm kinda thankful for that, actually, as I don't have the skills at the moment to pull it off.  It has to be done right as changing the nose changes the entire face.   

 

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On 11/12/2019 at 7:43 PM, flanker27 said:

I was thinking the same, havent heard back from Vicki since a week ago. I am going to wait another week before emailing them about it.

 

Vicky sent an email this am with a tracking number. It will probably take one or two days before the number shows up in the tracking system. Then we can watch as the kit sails, or flies into our mail boxes - finally.

 

Hope every Indiegogo backer gets their kits soon too.

 

:smiley-whacky034:

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20 hours ago, crackerjazz said:

It has to be done right as changing the nose changes the entire face.   

 

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:My wife ought to suffer watching this! She'll surely get mad. Her sweet heartthrob... :rofl: 

 

20 hours ago, crackerjazz said:

You meant the Tamiya kit.  Sorry I wasn't clear -- it's the Hasegawa nose that's bigger.  The step will require sanding down the sides of the cone to make it fit the Tamiya so it's a scary proposition.  My half-built Hasegawas have their noses glued on already and I don't have any spares for testing, unfortunately.      

 

 

I've ordered spares from Hasegawa on a couple occasions, so I might as well try grafting a Hasegawa Tomcat nose onto my future Tamiya kit once I get it. Didn't order it yet in the hope that the AMK kit came out with its known issues fixed. :rolleyes:   

Are the Tamiya and Hasegawa noses that off? I'd have never thought that it was the old Hasegawa nose the one which resembled the real thing more closely. :hmmm:It's good to know. I've ordered a couple of clear part sprues from the Tamiya kit in order to replace the windshield on both my Hasegawa kits. 

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1 hour ago, Hubbie Marsten said:

Are the Tamiya and Hasegawa noses that off? I'd have never thought that it was the old Hasegawa nose the one which resembled the real thing more closely. :hmmm:It's good to know. I've ordered a couple of clear part sprues from the Tamiya kit in order to replace the windshield on both my Hasegawa kits. 

 

I haven't seen any definitive comparisons regarding the nose cone. I'd hold off chopping up a Tamiya kit just yet.

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1 hour ago, Hubbie Marsten said:

I'd have never thought that it was the old Hasegawa nose the one which resembled the real thing more closely. :hmmm:

 

Just my observation but I'm no Zactoman :)   For the difference I'll have to measure again but just to illustrate -- in the picture below I used a line drawing from a Japanese book to compare as the drawing resembles Hasegawa measurements somehow.  I overlayed the Tamiya forward fuselage just to show the difference and what corrections you may have to make if you do graft noses.  Do keep in mind Tamiya used original Grumman plans as gtypecanare mentioned, so it could well be possible that the curvature I'm looking for is inherent only to photos taken of real F-14s and may be difficult to replicate on 1/48 models with camera distortions being different.

 

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In Tamiya, we trust. Even under microscope, it has that crispy.. buttery.. angel tear lubricated smoothness due to alien-AI infused machining technology.. 😄

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On 11/10/2019 at 1:33 AM, masanissa said:

I love it when we talk dirty about wings! :whistle:

I am exploring the other body parts now, slowly making my way to the hips... :coolio:

 

I've kept pretty busy lately so haven't found time to post any new updates on my progress. I have been gathering data, just need to compile it into something meaningful.
I've received several PMs and e-mails about the kit, my analysis, your analysis, questions and comments. Sorry I haven't had time to reply. I'll get to them eventually...

 

On 11/13/2019 at 5:31 AM, crackerjazz said:

For me I'm still trying to convince myself to love the Tamiya nose : (      Just for comparison purposes....it's this curvature below that I'm still straining to see on the Tamiya but is readily apparent on the Hasegawa.  

I don't have the Hasegawa kit for comparison, but the Tamiya kit matches the Grumman drawing (almost exactly) in both top and side views. It was hinted that they had loft lines and possibly blueprints, but the more I study the kit the more I suspect that they may have scanned the actual aircraft.
I don't know the origin of the Japanese drawing you are using, but from what little I can see of it, I can say that it's got problems and I wouldn't trust it much.
Here are pics of the Tamiya nose in similar angles to the photos you posted:

Tamiya_Nose_1_zps7drfwyeb.jpg

 

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11 hours ago, foxmulder_ms said:

In Tamiya, we trust. Even under microscope, it has that crispy.. buttery.. angel tear lubricated smoothness due to alien-AI infused machining technology.. 😄

It's beginning to feel like that.
One thing that has really impressed me is how precise every little detail is. Pretty much every rivet and panel line is perfect and crisp. The part fit is outstanding, mostly due to the fact that the edges  and mating surfaces are just as precise as the surface detail.
It's unfortunate that they didn't go the extra mile and incorporate the extra level of detail (that I know they are capable of) in the cockpit, gear wells and exhausts.

 

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Wow!  So these Tamiyas are real gems.  And I almost chopped their noses off  :(   Those pics really helped, Zactoman, thanks!   

 

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And now for something completely different...

 

Found this really excellent graphic that explains what the various parts of the F-14 are. I finally have a good understanding of the F-14...

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Never knew the F-14 used the Deluxe Turbo Encabulator. You learn something new every day.  :thumbsup2:

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Deluxe was part of the A+ upgrade....

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1 hour ago, habu2 said:

Deluxe was part of the A+ upgrade....

 

Thanks for that clarification. I am a bit confused though as I cannot find any documentation on the "Deluxe" Turbo Encabulator. I know the original designs were explored in Britain in the 1940s and later formalized in a specification written up by GE in 1962 (HBK-8359).  But I thought the definitive work was not accomplished until Rockwell Automation took it over in 1977 for use in their transmissions as shown in the press release done by Bud Haggart. Later, the Retro Encabulator was developed and the Micro Encabulator was developed by PATH as a game changing global health technology. But nowhere can I find reference to the Deluxe version. Could this have been part of some classified development done by Grumman based on the technology exchanges that went on between the US and Britain during WWII?

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