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11 hours ago, Mfezi said:

About the age argument: Many Lego sets say 14+ on the box. Are those not toys either, even though they are (once again) sold virtually exclusively in toy shops?

 

By the way, I just had a look: Kits made in the EU seem to generally have the 14+ sign, but my Hasegawa and Tamiya kits say nothing on the box, while my Zvezda kits just have a "no ages 0-3" sign. Looking inside on Tamiya instructions, the warnings I see are "A supervising adult should also read the instructions if a child assembled the model"; "Modeling skills helpful if under 10 years of age" and "Keep out of reach of small children". The same warnings appear in the instructions of many toys - something I can attest to as I have two fairly small children.

 

I would not be surprised if manufacturers are obligated to display such text as a legal or government regulatory requirement, specifically to prevent the possibility of unsupervised(*) children choking on the parts.

 

(*) or, in the case of my deadbeat dumbass nephew, supervised children  :explode:

 

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Edited by habu2
doh, double negative...

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5 hours ago, masanissa said:

Remember the film Flight of the Phoenix? It was a model airplane builder that saved their donkeys.:deadhorse1: Come on donkey wake ups! We gotta fly!

 

Great movie with James Stewart. Great actor and very accomplished pilot. I loved him in the movie Strategic Air Command with all the great shots of B-36s and B-47s.

Watched a little of the remake of Flight of the Phoenix, but couldn't get into it.

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6 hours ago, Mstor said:

 

Great movie with James Stewart. Great actor and very accomplished pilot. I loved him in the movie Strategic Air Command with all the great shots of B-36s and B-47s.

Watched a little of the remake of Flight of the Phoenix, but couldn't get into it.

 

SAC is one my father's favorite films. I think the last time I watched it with him I yawned too many times and pissed him off.

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20 hours ago, Mstor said:

 

Exactly! Thank you Sir! I think some may get confused when entities such the postal service consider all these items under the general classification of toys. eBay does the same thing, as does Amazon. They group hobbies and models under the general classification of toys and games. It always irritates me when companies do this. I find it belittles and demeans our chosen craft to find it listed under "Toys and Games". The nerve of such people. Of course we all know they do these things for the purpose of convenience and simplification in managing product. I, as you noted above, consider toys as something suitable for children to play with, and no, I don't mean your inner child all you smart alecks out there.

I think we have stumbled on another point that people are going to refuse to see eye to eye on. So, if you want to think of scale models as toys, please, be my guest. To me they haven't been toys since I stopped setting up battle scenes in the garden with my friends. We all built Aurora tanks with their vinyl tracks that we couldn't keep on the wheels as we pushed them across the ground. Along with the bags of plastic army men, we set up battle scenes and then imagined them shooting and things exploding. The poor model tanks didn't last too long under those conditions. High attrition rate. :whistle:

Those same army men are available today. Here's a nice pic. Today, they come in two sizes...

 

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 Ummm... Those are Marines, and they take that kind of talk personally.

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On 11/24/2019 at 12:27 AM, JeffreyK said:

 

Exactly the opposite! Scale model Manufacturers put labels like "14+" or "not suitable for children under 14" etc. on their boxes precisely to identify them as anything BUT toys. Toys are are things suitable for children and as such must pass MUCH tighter safety regulations, such as material composition, part size, sharp edges etc. etc. Most plastic model kits would fail these regulations and if an accident happened the manufacturer could be sued (if the product was allowed to be sold in the first place).

 

J

Sorry to disagree. The U.S. Government classifies model kits as Toys both by the Consumer Product Safety Commission and by U.S. Customs. Here is an article that discusses age determination in toys and model kits are listed on page 61 under Interlocking Building Materials, as well as on page 201 under Arts and Crafts:

 

Toy/Product                                                                    Toy Subcategory                                    Page

Model kits ...........................................................Interlocking Building Materials ................... 61

Modeling kits/materials ......................................Arts & Crafts ................................................ 201

 

If one chooses to browse further, I am sure you can find a great deal more information on the Consumer Product Safety Commission's website:

 

www.cpsc.gov

 

Also, the age listed on kit boxes is to dissuade people from buying a kit and giving it to their 5 year old (for example) and it does not change the designation from a toy. It simply gives a guide as to what age the toy is appropriate for. At least in the U.S. ALL toys have an age designation on their boxes, regardless of what it is.

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12 hours ago, IAGeezer said:

 

 Ummm... Those are Marines, and they take that kind of talk personally.

Ummm those are US Army soldiers, not Marines.

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5 hours ago, Whiskey said:

Ummm those are US Army soldiers, not Marines.

 

9 hours ago, madmanrick said:

Sorry to disagree. The U.S. Government classifies model kits as Toys...

 

I think it is safe to say that none of us can agree on anything. So, lets all agree to disagree and call it a day. :cheers:

 

Now, as far as the AMK F-14D is concerned, Zactoman has given us some great analysis to consider. I've been looking at the AMK fuselage and comparing it to my Tamiya F-14A. I've been trying to figure out how the AMK kit's rear end gets the room to allow for the steeper slope from the Vertical Stabs down to the outer edge of the fuselage. I still can't figure it out, but I'm not that good at visualizing these things in my head. I think it fair to say that there is a difference in that area the slopes down (or up depending on your point of view). Its much steeper on the AMK kit. You can see the difference if you look at the edge where the wing bladder fits. The Tamiya kit is almost flat but the AMK kit is very curved.

Why am I spending time looking at this stuff? Because I think it is at the root of the problems with the shape of the rear end, the "hips". I am not convinced that the problem doesn't start even further up the fuselage towards the cockpit and in the turtle back area.

Now, those concerned for my sanity need not be concerned. I'm taking all my medications as the Dr. ordered. I have an appointment with the Vulcan high counsel next week  on Vulcan to discuss my application to study for the Kolinahr. (yea, now you're all jealous aren't you :taunt:). So all is well. :naughty:

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Well I was just speaking as a retired Soldier, that the picture is of Soldiers, not Marines.

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On 11/22/2019 at 7:22 PM, masanissa said:

 

Being average is not something to excel at. Some of us strive to be an Excellent Joe. :thumbsup:

 

Would you want your Neurosurgeon to just be average? How about the movie you spend over $20 on when you go to the movie theater?

 

Having a model scrutinized in no way shape or form hurts the plastic modeling business. In fact there are some manufacturers that take constructive criticism to heart and improve their products: improved accuracy, better cockpit detailing, included aftermarket and masks in the box.

 

Over the years the Monogram, Hasegawa, and HB F-14's have been scrutinized. AMK saw an opportunity, but failed to live up to it's promise after half a decade of trying. In the meantime Tamiya seize the opportunity and now Great Wall sees an opening to corner part of the 1/48 F-14 market. The envelope is pushed because of nerdz.

 

The average Joe benefits from the "nerds".

That's a solid point.  I don't have the energy/interest in getting involved in kit QA stuff..i just want to buy a nice kit that goes together reasonably simply and looks like the real thing. I have more options and the opportunity to enjoy this hobby because of People who measure, compare and pressure manufacturers to raise standards.  

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I have had some of the same issues. The intakes have kicked my fool but I keep trucking along. I have found this to be one of the slowest build I have done in a long time. I am not enjoying it at all, but I'll figure it out. It just seams that they were lazy at times when they made this kit.

 

Dave

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13 hours ago, Whiskey said:

Well I was just speaking as a retired Soldier, that the picture is of Soldiers, not Marines.

 

 As a retired lifer also, I must admit to being ......... er......ummmm... mistaken (Wrong in 1SG speak). That new uniform, which is a vast improvement over those crap ACUs, photographs much like the Marpat that Marines wear. I must be gettin' old!

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Ooooh! I just got the email from Bob at Victory! They want my pre-order money!!!!

 

This is excitement in my little corner of the world!

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2 hours ago, Alex Matvey said:

AMK F-14 fitting close-ups. Somebody has some troubles. Photos may be useful for part treatment and dry-fitting.

 

It's interesting to see the difference, no the gap between pics of the kit during the review/ad  here: https://ipmsnymburk.com/forum/viewtema.php?ID_tema=40611&page_d=0&idp_d=0&idc_d=1&show_html=

 

and pics of the WIP like this one:

 

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Not glamour anymore.

Yikes.

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2 hours ago, Alex Matvey said:

AMK F-14 fitting close-ups. Somebody has some troubles. Photos may be useful for part treatment and dry-fitting.

WOWZERS!!!! The "big hips problem" was not a deal breaker for me, but this stuff sure is. Hopefully, there will be a few more WIP's posted to illustrate this, or if this builder had just made some mistakes. Right now, this kit is going from the "must buy" to the "maybe I'll pass" department for me!

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It almost looks as though the builder swapped parts on the intakes. Maybe the instruction call out is wrong? I'm actually excited to get mine and add it to my collection.

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1 hour ago, shion said:

It's interesting to see the difference, no the gap between pics of the kit during the review/ad  here: https://ipmsnymburk.com/forum/viewtema.php?ID_tema=40611&page_d=0&idp_d=0&idc_d=1&show_html=

 

and pics of the WIP like this one:

 

1574410820_17_4.JPG

 

Zato toto mi sedlo přesně a... = Slovak for This fits exactly...

And you know I'm the least interested in standing up for the AMK kit. Actually, I'm glad to be at "I'll surely pass it by" department. 

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4 hours ago, Alex Matvey said:

AMK F-14 fitting close-ups. Somebody has some troubles. Photos may be useful for part treatment and dry-fitting.

 

Having seen many AMK F-14s assembled at this point, I think it’s clear that that modeler is not a dry-fitter. You can’t just cut the parts from the sprues and smash them together, no matter which kit you’re working on. He had gaps where I haven’t seen them on any other build, both from not addressing the mating surfaces of the parts and from placing the parts wrong.

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23 minutes ago, andrew.deboer said:

 

You can’t just cut the parts from the sprues and smash them together, no matter which kit you’re working on.

BS

Not sure what kits you are building but I've put many kits together without dry fitting the parts and rarely had to use a drop of putty when I do.

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4 minutes ago, GW8345 said:

BS

Not sure what kits you are building but I've put many kits together without dry fitting the parts and rarely had to use a drop of putty when I do.

I took Andrew's post to mean you can't just cut parts off the sprue and dry fit them without cleaning up nubs, flash, etc. I personally never dry fit. I just cut the parts off and smash them together. If they don't fit exactly, I bend them to my will...sometimes literally. 😊

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my first thoughts were that the kit was being assembled by someone with very little experience with building a model. the Mig-31 kit fits perfectly if you test fit and pay close attention to the instructions. I managed to put my engines in the wrong side and the exhaust did not fit at all.

I am still waiting for an unbiased build up of the F-14 kit

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13 minutes ago, GW8345 said:

BS

Not sure what kits you are building but I've put many kits together without dry fitting the parts and rarely had to use a drop of putty when I do.

 

I build the best kit of a given subject that’s available. [My] life is too short for 40-year-old tooling and molds. 

 

So you don’t put the parts together without glue first just to check the fit? I’ve put together many kits where the parts fit perfectly when dry fit and I went on to apply glue right then. But, if I put the parts together and they don’t mate like I think they should, I true up the mating surfaces with a sanding stick or a blade so they fit right prior to the glue. I hate filling and sanding, so if I can make the seam as good as possible before glue, that’s the way I prefer to go.

 

So really, it’s not BS (thanks for your opinion)..

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36 minutes ago, Hubbie Marsten said:

 

Zato toto mi sedlo přesně a... = Slovak for This fits exactly...

And you know I'm the least interested in standing up for the AMK kit. Actually, I'm glad to be at "I'll surely pass it by" department. 

 

Look at the picture:

-  both parts of the IRST do not fit exactly despite they are glued together.

- rivets and panel lines are not only soft, they have different sizes too.

- some panels lines and rivets lines aren't even straight.

 

31 minutes ago, andrew.deboer said:

 

Having seen many AMK F-14s assembled at this point, I think it’s clear that that modeler is not a dry-fitter. You can’t just cut the parts from the sprues and smash them together, no matter which kit you’re working on. He had gaps where I haven’t seen them on any other build, both from not addressing the mating surfaces of the parts and from placing the parts wrong.

 

Some fit problems are present on every WIP and the few built kits I saw.

 

5 minutes ago, GW8345 said:

BS

Not sure what kits you are building but I've put many kits together without dry fitting the parts and rarely had to use a drop of putty when I do.

 

It depends on two things: builder proficiency and how the parts of the kit fit together.

Clearly, the builder here doesn't know what is dry-fitting.

 

But the kit doesn't help, I saw other builder having problems in the eaxct same aeras.

It's not surprising we saw so few builds of this kit.

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, shion said:

Look at the picture:

-  both parts of the IRST do not fit exactly despite they are glued together.

- rivets and panel lines are not only soft, they have different sizes too.

- some panels lines and rivets lines aren't even straight.

 

I'd rather go take a look at a snail twisting on a pond of salt... :rolleyes: i.e., I couldn't care less about the AMK Tomcat kit.

I JUST TRANSLATED WHAT THE BUILDER TYPED ON THAT PICTURE!

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