Jump to content

Recommended Posts

29 minutes ago, andrew.deboer said:

So far I’m pretty happy with my AMK Tomcat. It’s not the shake and bake experience of the Tamiya kit, but the detail is a little more extensive.


- My Phoenixes look great - no deformation of fins, which are really thin! I don’t care if its length varies from reality by a fraction of a millimeter...

 

- Multipart canopy turned out good. It took a lot of fitting and trimming, but it glued together well. Unfortunately, gluing it together before painting the frame defeats the purpose of having the separate glass. The windscreen fits very well.

 

- The cockpit tub slides into the front fuselage easily. I wonder if some modelers put the tabs on the tub above the rails inside the fuselage instead of below it. Also, I fitted the radome and its bulkhead into the nose as well as the cockpit tub, and the assembly went together great. (I did have to do mold flash cleanup on the radome where it met the fuselage)
 

- The biggest issue I have so far is the ejector pin marks, mold parting lines and flash. Nearly every part has needed cleaning up with a knife, sanding stick or filler. If a company needs to use ejector puns on visible surfaces of parts (I get this), I wish the marks would be raised from the surface instead of being recessed.

 

So far I do like the model, but I wouldn’t pick it over the Tamiya unless I was looking for extended flaps, slats and speed brakes.

 

That's just about the exact experience I've had with it so far. I agree completely. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm no Tomcat expert by any means as I defer to others much more knowledgeable for that but do keep plenty of reference resources. And I don't have the kit in hand to examine it myself.

 

My question is, and I posted this a while back but don't think I read an answer to it, what is the deal with the large panel (?) or seam (?) line that wraps around the radome? I don't believe I've ever seen such a pronounced line on the real thing or any other model kit either. In my eyes it just looks way more exaggerated than it actually is and takes away from the overall look of the kit. The few builds I've glanced at I can't seem to veer away from that line on the radome.

Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

My question is, and I posted this a while back but don't think I read an answer to it, what is the deal with the large panel (?) or seam (?) line that wraps around the radome?


The only line on the radome is the mold seam that runs down the middle of it. Are you talking about the seam between the radome and the rest of the fuselage?

Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

I'm no Tomcat expert by any means as I defer to others much more knowledgeable for that but do keep plenty of reference resources. And I don't have the kit in hand to examine it myself.

 

My question is, and I posted this a while back but don't think I read an answer to it, what is the deal with the large panel (?) or seam (?) line that wraps around the radome? I don't believe I've ever seen such a pronounced line on the real thing or any other model kit either. In my eyes it just looks way more exaggerated than it actually is and takes away from the overall look of the kit. The few builds I've glanced at I can't seem to veer away from that line on the radome.

 

you mean the radar cover?

 

To undertand why, take a look at this sequence: 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/10/2020 at 9:44 PM, niart17 said:

well sir, I would like to direct you to this thread. 

 

Granted, that thread isn't really nitpicking a kit and more a pure work of engineering art, but there are others out there that really do take such exacting tolerances to heart as their hobby. I can't recall anything as thorough and detailed as Manfred's masterpiece being built...but there are people out in this world like him. And I for one LOVE the fact they exist.

Totally misunderstood me. I know the thread and I am not argueing about the level of detail afinity. I'm a nitpicker myself on my models and take great joy in finding and adding even the slightest detail to models if I'm able to. I do mean the tone and my impression using minor flaws and use them as means of picking on a kit and it's manufacturer (Please don't get this wrong; I don't want to call names and I don't mean explicitly you. It is my general observation in this thread and I'm by no means someone who has not expressed critiscism of the kit in this thread as well!). Please try to make that small but important difference between stating flaws, be they as minimal as can be, and using these flaws to do some needless bickering. Having said that I think I already should withdraw from the thread again. Thank you.

Edited by bushande
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, shion said:

 

you mean the radar cover?

 

To undertand why, take a look at this sequence: 

 

 

What do you mean? Do you think is the inner part (U2) that cause the gap? That part is absolutely unnecessary, it may have been designed to help to align the nose cone but it fits perfectly without it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Andrea Bolla said:

 

What do you mean? Do you think is the inner part (U2) that cause the gap? That part is absolutely unnecessary, it may have been designed to help to align the nose cone but it fits perfectly without it.

 

U2 part is not only absolutely useless, I suspect it disturbs the fit between nose section and radar cover (in the longitidunal axis),

and maybe worse, it widens the one-part nose section (reason why the author had to use pliers to pull it out).

Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, shion said:

 

U2 part is not only absolutely useless, I suspect it disturbs the fit between nose section and radar cover (in the longitidunal axis),

and maybe worse, it widens the one-part nose section (reason why the author had to use pliers to pull it out).

 

Considering the conical shape of the nose and that part U2 attach to the front of the cockpit tub I suspect that it should be mounted before sliding the tub assembly into the fuselage.

 

Beside that, if I was the video's author I would not have wasted the 3 minutes shown and would have sent that part directly to the scrap box.

Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, zerosystem said:

Nope, not an issue

 

Did you at least read the question asked?

For reference:

 

5 hours ago, Whiskey said:

I'm no Tomcat expert by any means as I defer to others much more knowledgeable for that but do keep plenty of reference resources. And I don't have the kit in hand to examine it myself.

 

My question is, and I posted this a while back but don't think I read an answer to it, what is the deal with the large panel (?) or seam (?) line that wraps around the radome? I don't believe I've ever seen such a pronounced line on the real thing or any other model kit either. In my eyes it just looks way more exaggerated than it actually is and takes away from the overall look of the kit. The few builds I've glanced at I can't seem to veer away from that line on the radome.

 

So he asked where the seam comes from,

I answer.

 

If you've got problem about it , what''s the point to keep following this thread?

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, andrew.deboer said:


Are you talking about the seam between the radome and the rest of the fuselage?

 

I am referring to the large line that runs along the longitude axis that is denoting the radome and fuselage. in this picture it's right under the tape holding the nose cone on. It just looks massively over-proportioned to me. Maybe I'm wrong but that's why I am asking.

 

foto-34-1068x652.jpg

Edited by Whiskey
Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, DIO said:

 

Once again you do not understand what I wrote, once again missing the point. Sorry cannot help you.

 

Well I guess I need a Master's Degree to understand your level of sarcasm then.

21 hours ago, madmanrick said:

 You Squids sure talk funny! 🤣🤣

Sorry, can't write in Crayon for you Air Force types and us squids will try to you smaller words next time.🤣🤣🤣🤣

8 hours ago, Andrea Bolla said:

 

Thanks for your kind reply!

 

So we can see a "full dirty" wing just for seconds during spoiler checkup and in that precise spot on the deck, is this correct?

Yes, you can do a "full dirty" wing while the bird is on the cat, just don't have the launch bar in the shuttle though. There are times that they would taxi the bird up to the point the launch bar was on top of the shuttle before spreading the wings and doing the spoiler check. As long as the launch bar isn't in the shuttle you can do full dirty wings when the bird is on the cat and it would be accurate.

 

8 hours ago, Andrea Bolla said:

 

 

Hold back bar is attached by the same guy?

No, there is another green shirt that connects the holdback bar, once he hooks it up he moves away from the aircraft.

 

And a last general question,  watching a few youtube videos about deck operations saw sometimes jacket/shirt color mismatch like a yellow jacket on a green shirt or brown on a white one: is this common or just an excepion.

No, they are not exceptions.

A green shirt with a yellow jacket (vest) is the Catapult Safety Petty Officer, he signals when it is safe to fire the cat. This person will only be on the cat when they are using the "bubble" to during launchers.

A white shirt with a brown jacket (vest) is a Quality Assurance person, they sometimes fill in as finalcheckers also.

When I was finalchecking I wore a white shirt and red vest (Ordnance Quality Assurance), caused a few folks to do a double take because it was unheard off (at the time I started doing it) for an Ordnanceman to be a qualified finalchecker.

 

8 hours ago, Andrea Bolla said:

 

Thanks in advance for you patience...

No worries, I always enjoy answer questions so ask away.

 

1 hour ago, Whiskey said:

 

I am referring to the large line that runs along the longitude axis that is denoting the radome and fuselage. in this picture it's right under the tape holding the nose cone on. It just looks massively over-proportioned to me. Maybe I'm wrong but that's why I am asking.

 

foto-34-1068x652.jpg

In the real aircraft the radome/fuselage joint is not that big, IMO it is rather exaggerated on this kit.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, shion said:

Followed build completed here: https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=131488&p=2279351&hilit=amk#p2279351

 

A pretty nice work.

 

file.php?id=1554439

 

file.php?id=1554438

 

file.php?id=1554437

 

file.php?id=1554436

 

file.php?id=1554433

 

 

file.php?id=1554459

Just one technical note and please don't take it that I am slamming the builder, just want to pass along something technical I see with this build.

 

The small door just forward of the IFR probe will not be open when the probe is fully extended, it opens just enough for the probe to clear it then closes. It closes when the probe is about a third way extended.

Edited by GW8345
Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, GW8345 said:

In the real aircraft the radome/fuselage joint is not that big, IMO it is rather exaggerated on this kit.

 

Thank you GW, that answered my question exactly.

 

12 minutes ago, GW8345 said:

Just one technical note and please don't take it that I am slamming the builder, just want to pass along something technical I see with this build.

 

The small door just forward of the IFR probe will not be open when the probe is fully extended, it opens just enough for the probe to clear it then closes. It closes when the probe is about a third way extended.

 

Another builder's note to add to the collection. Thanks once more!

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, shion said:

 

Did you at least read the question asked?

For reference:

 

 

So he asked where the seam comes from,

I answer.

 

If you've got problem about it , what''s the point to keep following this thread?

 

Because I've actually built the kit and am happy to point out where there are issues and where others are just made up. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, zerosystem said:

Because I've actually built the kit and am happy to point out where there are issues and where others are just made up. 

 

Understood that you have built the kit and hat's off to you sir. i am not making it up however because every kit picture I have seen there is a prominent line that distinguishes the nosecone from the fuselage. It is even more apparent when looking at pictures with a top view. I don't believe that it is that over-exaggerated on the 1:1 aircraft so that is why I asked. It kinda reminds me of how big the panel lines on the Hobby Boss F-14's are. In this instance it stands out, to me, because other panel lines are finer while this is huge. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/11/2020 at 7:55 AM, andrew.deboer said:

So far I do like the model, but I wouldn’t pick it over the Tamiya unless I was looking for extended flaps, slats and speed brakes.

If the flaps & slats are THE ONLY THINGS to seek in this kit, if this  is THE ONLY REASON to buy this kit, then  it won't be a hard decision to say that Tamiya still  firmly secured the top spot.

Edited by flybywire
Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/10/2020 at 7:42 PM, Zactoman said:

Sorry I'm taking so long to show what I've done. I've been busier than ever lately and family and paying work comes first.
I have been working on a quick and dirty hip correction demonstration between things, when I have time.

I have been taking loads of (crappy) cell phone pics of each step. I need to pick the few most meaningful of the 200+ pics and edit/resize them. Hopefully I didn't miss anything important.

Rather than spread it out over tens of pages in this thread, I'm holding off until I finish the demo, get some final (better) pics and compose an explanation of what I've done.

I am getting close.

 

Nothing to be sorry about Zactoman. We (well I) understand that keeping roof over head and food in the larder has to be priority number one. When you have the time and energy is fine by me. I can wait.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Whiskey said:

 

Understood that you have built the kit and hat's off to you sir. i am not making it up however because every kit picture I have seen there is a prominent line that distinguishes the nosecone from the fuselage. It is even more apparent when looking at pictures with a top view. I don't believe that it is that over-exaggerated on the 1:1 aircraft so that is why I asked. It kinda reminds me of how big the panel lines on the Hobby Boss F-14's are. In this instance it stands out, to me, because other panel lines are finer while this is huge. 

 

It's a line between two separate parts not an engraved one, up to the builder how to finish that seam.

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, zerosystem said:

Because I've actually built the kit and am happy to point out where there are issues and where others are just made up. 

 

So because "you've actually built the kit", it makes disappear something everybody can see?

 

Whiskey is right about this, this line is not only quite visible, it is present in a location which makes it unavoidable, bc it's a focal point on any jet kit.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...