Tapchan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 We have already stopped kicking this deformed corpse some time ago but Martin made us start again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Tapchan said: We have already stopped kicking this deformed corpse some time ago but Martin made us start again. Is there really anything more to say? Let's just shut it down and move on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Edited February 23, 2020 by Whiskey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 hours ago, madmanrick said: Gotta say, the comments being posted by "Martin@AMK Models" seem to be completely out of character for the person I thought I knew? I am wondering if someone else is using that account? Hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but something smells fishy to me. On page 20 he said this : We had arrangement with others who now will likely not get the chance to finish. Jake Melampy at Reid Air Brian at Fightertown Dave Roof at Leathernecks and many more projects to come in the future If someone else was using his account, how could they possibly know that? Honestly, at this point it no longer matters. I read the thread again simply because I got a chuckle out of it being resurrected, then allowed myself to get sucked in again. No Mas, Nada, Zip, Zero from me in this thread. I have a business to run that is gaining momentum and it's time to focus more on it and less time on this thread and forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 The only thing that I am waiting for here is to see if Zactoman has any further analysis and/or fixes to report. If not, then time to move on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 We should have more material for discuss soon: F-14D was released in October, "couple of months later" have began lately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Dave Roof said: If someone else was using his account, how could they possibly know that? Well, if it is as I suspect, it could be another person from AMK Models and that person would be just as familiar with the internal workings of AMK. Honestly, the clue that led me to think this, was the Jennings lament. Martin was in fact around when Jennings was banned, although I am not sure others from AMK were. The "others" I am referring to, didn't establish themselves online until much later afaik. Either way, you are correct this thread needs to die already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 But if we get to 400 somebody will win a model! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neo Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Hey guys. Anyone able to get a reply from sincere hobby? Im still waiting for my amk tomcat. They sent me a email in November for the extra shipping. I said yes and ive heard nothing from them since. Ive been emailing the via the contact form their paypal email the info email NADA... Im a patient guy but this is ridiculous.... and yes i know its not AMK's fault at this point Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Starfighter84 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) On 2/3/2020 at 5:13 PM, andrew.deboer said: I’ll condense that review. ”Buon Giorno! Mama Mia! Thisa AMK F-14D, she’s-a notta box-shaker! She’s-a make me use modeling skills! I’m-a not so good atta test-fit, so I masha these parts together best I can! She is what she is! Arrivederci!” Dude put the seats together wrong, mixing up the left and right halves so he ended up with one long canopy breaker on each seat. Whoops. The canopy, she doesn’t fit! All kidding aside, the Conclusions section is pretty much spot on. "Buongiorno! Mama Mia (maybe you trying to say MAMMA mia)! also this modeler encountered the same problem with the seats and canopy!! All of this modelers needs much more modeling skills because they are not so good with the fit of this Tomcat!!!! Arrivederci!" 😏 Indeed... the canopy won't fit not just for an error during the building of the canopy breaker.... THE CANOPY WON'T FIT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Edited February 25, 2020 by Starfighter84 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper-dc Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Who did wrong Tamiya or AMK? Tamiy-AMK 119/121mm 83/89mm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrew.deboer Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Starfighter84 said: "Buongiorno! Mama Mia (maybe you trying to say MAMMA mia)! also this modeler encountered the same problem with the seats and canopy!! All of this modelers needs much more modeling skills because they are not so good with the fit of this Tomcat!!!! Arrivederci!" 😏 Indeed... the canopy won't fit not just for an error during the building of the canopy breaker.... THE CANOPY WON'T FIT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Yeah, I came off like a jerk. Sorry about that. Mi scuso. Mine fits. Don’t know what to tell you. To be fair, it is difficult to get the tab on the bottom of the seat inserted properly in the slot in the floor. I have also seen some instances where the cockpit had been slid into the nose with its alignment tabs above the rail inside the nose, rather than below, which could make the entire cockpit sit higher. I would cut off the tab on the bottom of the seat and sand the bottom of the seat with a coarse grit. The bottom of the seat will never be seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 A real Weapons Rail (w/o fairing adapter and fairing) is 160 inches long, 22 inches wide and 11 inches deep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, GW8345 said: A real Weapons Rail (w/o fairing adapter and fairing) is 160 inches long, 22 inches wide and 11 inches deep. So a 1/48 Weapons Rail (w/o fairing adapter and fairing) is 3.333” (84.67 mm) long, 0.458” (11.64 mm) wide and 0.229” (5.82 mm) deep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Jamieson Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 9/9/2019 at 3:44 AM, Darren Roberts said: Wow! I go away for a weekend and come back to a billion more pages added to the thread! Okay, that's a bit of hyperbole. 😊 But I'm amazed that we've gone on so many rabbit trails. There's bickering (more than usual) and changing the discussion to other manufacturers back to bickering. It's hard to wrap my head around it all! However, there are some good pictures that have been posted. Let's see if I can summarize the last couple pages of the thread. The area in question is the rear fuselage outside of the tails containing the horizontal stabs. From measurements, it appears that area is no wider than the Tamiya kit. What does appear in error is the slope of that area, causing a "twist" in the wing bladder, which may be the reason everything looked off to some people. From people building it, the fit seems to be very good. I won't touch on the panel lines, because that is a personal preference and really can't be resolved. So, the bottom line seems to be: If your focus is on ease of build and relative accuracy, this will be a great kit to buy. If your focus is on exact accuracy, you will probably want to pass on this kit. If your focus is on detail, it seems to be pretty good, so you might want to pick up the kit. If you just want another Tomcat to add to your collection that's from a different manufacturer, you'll want to pick up this kit. If you're just curious to see how it looks in real life after 226 pages of back and forth discussion with some bomb-throwing and personal attacks tossed in, you'll want to pick up the kit. Did I miss anything? Is it time to move on yet? Has it all been hashed out, or are there other areas that need discussion? For what it's worth, yes the rear area looks to be off, but I'll still be buying one. Of course, I've also bought the old Revell, Fujimi, and Italeri kits as well as building over 80 Monogram kits, so you might want to take my views with a grain of salt. 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrea Bolla Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 10:46 PM, Neo said: Hey guys. Anyone able to get a reply from sincere hobby? Im still waiting for my amk tomcat. They sent me a email in November for the extra shipping. I said yes and ive heard nothing from them since. Ive been emailing the via the contact form their paypal email the info email NADA... Im a patient guy but this is ridiculous.... and yes i know its not AMK's fault at this point Same problem here, also tried other email address posted here without success. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Jamieson Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 You know what. I have bought two of these kits. Yes the instructions are confusing at times.There is an error around the air bag and the flight refueling area is off and it is not shake and bake like Tamiya so you need to be careful and think your build out but,if you compare the detail of such things as the wheel wells and other options offered it wins hands down. I will eventually build a Tamiya version but I am yet to see a perfect kit and I have built all manner and types over 50 years. For those procrastinating over buying this kit, don`t. You will be happy you did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joscasle Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Don Jamieson said: You know what. I have bought two of these kits. Yes the instructions are confusing at times.There is an error around the air bag and the flight refueling area is off and it is not shake and bake like Tamiya so you need to be careful and think your build out but,if you compare the detail of such things as the wheel wells and other options offered it wins hands down. I will eventually build a Tamiya version but I am yet to see a perfect kit and I have built all manner and types over 50 years. For those procrastinating over buying this kit, don`t. You will be happy you did. You will build your Tomcats with the wings open? If that's the case, well AMK is an option (I really don't know if the best one) but if you will build the kits with the wings full sweep, Tamiya is a far supirior kit almost in all categories. The only superior category AMK wing over Tamiya is in the decal category. I admit the decals that came with the AMK kit are very nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, joscasle said: You will build your Tomcats with the wings open? If that's the case, well AMK is an option (I really don't know if the best one) but if you will build the kits with the wings full sweep, Tamiya is a far supirior kit almost in all categories. The only superior category AMK wing over Tamiya is in the decal category. I admit the decals that came with the AMK kit are very nice. till you look at them closely and first notice saturation and printing problems, oups features. Then more surprises when you will try to put them, they are pretty weak to decal softener and break easily and have virtually no protective layer:https://www.modelingtime.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19479&start=100 And it seems the builder asked help to AMK about these decals feature, in vain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joscasle Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 well, not even the decals then!!!😤 😡 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Jamieson Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, joscasle said: well, not even the decals then!!!😤 😡 No problems with my decals. They have gone on fine and snuggled down well with a little bit of softener here and there.The register is slightly off on some of the stencils but unless you have some bystander get to within dangerously too close "back off, distance" "I am going to hit you" they are fine People tend to develop a bias in some things. I used to swear by Tamiya for every category of model (I mainly build armor and F1 cars) but other companies have come and produced far superior detailed and accurate models. Then we have another category of modeler who spends most of their time picking something to pieces and never actually building let alone completing something. The Tamiya Tomcat is accurate. I have seen Tomcats up close and have an extensive photo album. I am ex Navy 43 years. Tamiya is "shake and bake" but the detail IS simplified in some areas.Decals for the seat belts "COME ON" really? Swing wing mechanism. I don`t intend to play with it so the position I choose is fine by me to stay with.In a nut shell. If you want the easy way out,buy Tamiya. If you want a challenge and not obsessed to the point of lunacy,build the AMK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) I'll wait for F-14B. Let's see if it will be badass or bad arse again. Edited February 27, 2020 by Tapchan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shion Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Don Jamieson said: No problems with my decals. They have gone on fine and snuggled down well with a little bit of softener here and there.The register is slightly off on some of the stencils but unless you have some bystander get to within dangerously too close "back off, distance" "I am going to hit you" they are fine People tend to develop a bias in some things. I used to swear by Tamiya for every category of model (I mainly build armor and F1 cars) but other companies have come and produced far superior detailed and accurate models. Then we have another category of modeler who spends most of their time picking something to pieces and never actually building let alone completing something. The Tamiya Tomcat is accurate. I have seen Tomcats up close and have an extensive photo album. I am ex Navy 43 years. Tamiya is "shake and bake" but the detail IS simplified in some areas.Decals for the seat belts "COME ON" really? Swing wing mechanism. I don`t intend to play with it so the position I choose is fine by me to stay with.In a nut shell. If you want the easy way out,buy Tamiya. If you want a challenge and not obsessed to the point of lunacy,build the AMK. 3 posts on the forum, 3 on this very topic and already this kind of rhetoric. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Jamieson Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tapchan said: I'll wait for F-14B. Let's see if it will be badass or bad arse again. Do try and build something in between. It may be a long wait. 10 minutes ago, Tapchan said: I'll wait for F-14B. Let's see if it will be badass or bad arse again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, joscasle said: You will build your Tomcats with the wings open? If that's the case, well AMK is an option (I really don't know if the best one) but if you will build the kits with the wings full sweep, Tamiya is a far supirior kit almost in all categories. The only superior category AMK wing over Tamiya is in the decal category. I admit the decals that came with the AMK kit are very nice. Actually, the AMK kit is superior to Tamiya in detail. The Tamiya is superior to AMK in ease of build and accuracy. I most always use aftermarket decals, so that pertain to me. On the list of Best Tomcats (in my judgement), Tamiya is in 1st and AMK is in 2nd, but the chasm between the two is pretty wide. The only possible kit that could overcome the Tamiya kit is the GWH offering if/when it comes out. If Academy releases their 1/72 scale in1/48, that might give the Tamiya a run for its money. I'd say Tamiya will remain king of the hill for the foreseeable future, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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