Solo Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 This model must be perfect, but what about panel lines? I hope it will be much, much narrower than in MiG-31 model. Wide panel lines can ruin every beautiful kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jinmmydel Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 There's nothing wrong with the panel lines on the Mig-31. They are perfect IMO...you don't have to worry about a wash holding. I think it's funny everyone complains about the panel lines but everyone goes out of their way to preshade them to death and draw as much attention to them as they can with caricature painting and weathering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 There's nothing wrong with the panel lines on the Mig-31. No, there is. Such lines are to wide, and standing out to much. I don't understand how people can complain about "mad riveter" in case of F-14 Tomcat from Hobby Boss and write "there is nothing wrong with panel lines on MiG-31" in case of AMK. Please compare those lines with lines of any modern jet from Hasegawa, or Tamiya's F-16. Compare it with panel lines of HB Tomcat. I think MiG-31 is great kit, but panel lines are just terrible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 No, there is. Such lines are to wide, and standing out to much. I don't understand how people can complain about "mad riveter" in case of F-14 Tomcat from Hobby Boss and write "there is nothing wrong with panel lines on MiG-31" in case of AMK. Please compare those lines with lines of any modern jet from Hasegawa, or Tamiya's F-16. Compare it with panel lines of HB Tomcat. I think MiG-31 is great kit, but panel lines are just terrible. Maybe is too wide, in that case avoid the pre shading and paneling. But I think AMK will do a better work in this new F-14D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) Maybe? Do you want to compare with Kinetic's Hornet or Tamiya's F-16? :)/> Edited August 3, 2016 by Solo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 While I see your point and obviously can't disagree with your visual evidence, from the kits I've seen built up, paint seems to cover those panel lines on the MiG-31 nicely. Going forward, perhaps AMK can address those issues and come back with more restrained panel lines. However, I do hope that you are not suggesting that the kit is unbuildable as it currently is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 This kit is just great: very nice details, everything looks there just perfect. But not the lines. Only this. I am dreaming to have their Tomcat, with all that fantastic stuff, but not with such lines. Wide lines ruins everything for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewPerren Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Give me a sharp & well defined panel line any day. If you are worried about the Mig 31's panel lines being overdone then I think you are in the minority. They are beautiful. Most of my modelling mates and me just want a panel line that they don't have to worry about losing or deepening just to hold a wash. You referred to the Kinetic Hornet, well I'm building one right now and the panel lines are a leap forward for them but still borderline for overall ease of finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parabat Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Give me a sharp & well defined panel line any day. If you are worried about the Mig 31's panel lines being overdone then I think you are in the minority. They are beautiful. Most of my modelling mates and me just want a panel line that they don't have to worry about losing or deepening just to hold a wash. You referred to the Kinetic Hornet, well I'm building one right now and the panel lines are a leap forward for them but still borderline for overall ease of finish. This ^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dsahling Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 This is hysterical :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Panel lines should be deeper and wider to ensure the panel lines are not erased after the finish and all the putty applied. The new 1:72 f-15J from Platz is a good example of how panel lines should be done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Following that I believe Tamiya's F-16C has got very bad panel lines. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dmanton300 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Panel lines should be deeper and wider to ensure the panel lines are not erased after the finish and all the putty applied. The new 1:72 f-15J from Platz is a good example of how panel lines should be done. Funny, I like slightly deeper panel lines - Tamiya does it perfectly, deep but *sharp*. I took one look at my Platz F-15J and threw it to the back of the stash in utter disgust. It's abysmal. To my eyes anyway. Yes, the Hasegawa 30 year old kit is a bit soft and shallow in places, but it's light years ahead of that Platz carbuncle. Edited August 4, 2016 by Dmanton300 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 It is almost as if panellines is somewhat of a subjective thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 For a new company, I have no complaints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 It is almost as if panellines is somewhat of a subjective thing. I'd say that width and depth are subjective but that presence and nature is objective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Panel lines should be deeper and wider to ensure the panel lines are not erased after the finish and all the putty applied. agreed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joeltc Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 A touch deeper as so it can take a wash after priming, painting and weathering. But not so wide as it tends to make a model look more like a die cast metal model. Personally i like how Tamiya does it. On all of the recent kits of theirs I've built Ive managed to get to the stage of adding a wash and I didn't really loose any panel lines to paint. And I don't consider myself a top shelf modeller since I really only build for my own satisfaction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Will this kit have metal landing gear and PE seatbelts etc like the revised Mig-31 BM/BSM kit now has? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Will this kit have metal landing gear and PE seatbelts etc like the revised Mig-31 BM/BSM kit now has? ..the MiG-31BM/BSM Special edition... is a special edition. with the magister, AMK shown that they have the equipment and will to add some metal cast parts. (and helps to offers something that makes it more appealing to face competitor) but i think that it shouldn't be included in regular releases, as it just add to the price... and are not really required...at all costs! i understand that a special edition of the mig-31 BM/BSM with only new decals (+IP and windows sealant) and the PE fret from the B/BS would have been enough for me... but marketing wise, adding metal legs and tinted clear parts , makes it a bit more "Special Edition"... Edited August 4, 2016 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Again just curious as it seems based on the comments in the AMK Mig-31 "Special Edition" thread most folks (myself included) would have liked the goodies in the original release in the first place and are more then likely going to end up buying the SE parts pack being sold separately anyways. So I was just wondering if AMK was planning on a general Tomcat release now (like the original Mig release) and a "Special Edition" F-14 later like the newer revised Mig? If so then some folks may want to wait for the "special edition" Tomcat and forgo the regular issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Martin @ AMK Models Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) AMK created the MIG-31BM/BSM kit as it was intended from the outset. Due to feedback we added more items to the B/BS version. Again from feedback we decided to add lots of items to the Special Edition in the hope of appeasing those who wanted yet more and in the hope of rewarding our customers for their loyalty. The Special Edition does not replace the original. The Special Edition is as described and has extra parts to make it the “ultimate kit” some of you said the original could have been but with much more besides (no one asked for tinted canopy, Germetik sealant or metal pitot). That was us trying to give you value for money. The metal pitot included in the Die-Cast parts go some way to add even more value to the MIG-31B/BS if you want to. Special parts add to the price. We aim to give the best possible product for the best possible price. The Tomcat will be the best possible kit we can make from the outset. Edited August 5, 2016 by Martin @ AMK Models Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GMK Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 I could care less what it is in Hong Kong or Japan; I only want to know what it will cost me up the road from my house. gary Hang on, you could care less? So you care? Or, you couldn't care less - you don't care at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jester292 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Pet peeve of mine too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmanrick Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Martin, my two cents is this, I prefer that it be done exactly the way you've done it. I prefer that the kit be released sans the cast metal goodies and that the metal goodies be released in a separate kit. That way I can choose to buy them or not. This way the base kit is still reasonably priced. Others will surely disagree. However, I think your responsiveness is above and beyond, which I greatly appreciate. Thanks for listening to the consumer! Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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