AnthonyWan Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Ok so ... the general consensus before the rivet counting started was "This kit overall looks pretty good, generally good shape and looks decent OOB" Not being a fan of Trumpeter's decals...I do second that suggestion that we need some more markings. And I think we definitely need some PE to spruce up the OOB plastic. -Awan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Hi Chuck, yes, this kit is very inaccurate. Just check the vains of the rear landing gear. They starts when the rear sliding doors end. And the two doors are equal in length. The version you are comparing it to is not an HH-65C. That is the French Navy version which is different. It is actually pretty close to a USCG HH-65C. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otis252 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hey guys, I've mocked up the fuselage with the gear and compared it to some nice side view pictures of a Coast Guard HH-65C, that gear looks pretty close to me as to where it should be. Perhaps it's a little different on the Italian version. Chuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The version you are comparing it to is not an HH-65C. That is the French Navy version which is different. It is actually pretty close to a USCG HH-65C. Hi man. I was talking about the 365N2 kit. But the main dimensions of an HH-65 are the same of an AS365N3+. So main rotor height, fenestron diameter, distance between front and main gear, tyres diameter(equal for all the 4 tyres), sliding doors length and so on are the same. Not to mention the main blades bending that is just wrong and horrible. So, imho, this kit is really inaccurate. If you want to check it in first person look at this and divide all per 48 :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I just got the Trumpeter 1/35 H65 this afternoon, I am not an expert but at first glance it looks like they scaled up the 1/48 version. I am waiting for the French Navy version to come out in late August. Oliver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I just got the Trumpeter 1/35 H65 this afternoon, I am not an expert but at first glance it looks like they scaled up the 1/48 version. I am waiting for the French Navy version to come out in late August. Oliver Well...the 1:35 fenestron is more exact than the 1/48 one so i think it's not the 1/48 kit scaled up. But i need a side view of a built to give you accurate info about inaccuracies and missing parts (for example i noticed that there are no windshield wipers). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norbert Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Well, concerning the rear doors, and as it was said in another topic, the N2 depicts an early version it matches for exemple an West Michigan Air Care or an Air Korea. Most of the N2's had the short rear doors upgraded to the larger bulged doors, when not produced directly with them. Most but not all. if you look to those early versions, there is good distance between the end of the door and the rear wheel cover, can't say it is so wrong here. I admit the rotor blades have this currious bending at the roots, but I think it will not be too hard to get them flat. concerning the 10 blades assymetric tail rotor, early HH-65C had the 11 blades before upgrade, you can find picture of them with a little google search, and the kit is depicted as a HH-65C, not D. However, I admit I have better eurocopter drawings but I dit not place the kit on them for comparison, so can't realy say. So far they look like a Dolphin Norbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) Hi Norbert. The HH-65s, when re-engined with the Arriel 2c2 cg, were planned to get the 11 blade replaced by the new 10 blades one. In fact the first 10 blades fenestron were mounted on the C version. By the way this is not an "error" ( for example in the kit the protective shield under the left exhaust engine is missing (and it's wider than the one we have on the N3) ). Errors are the wrong overall dimension. If you want i can measure on the real one the distance between the rear door and the rear wheel cover but at a first look i can state it's incorrect because, even though the earlier N2s got this short aerodynamic sliding doors (made for VIP version, they permit a higher cruise speed), the interior cabin is the same in terms of length and height. One thing is wrong 100% and it's the rear wheel diameter. So far, the 1:48 kitty hawk is the most accurate 365 kit Good night! Edited August 2, 2015 by as365n3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Caracal Models will release a 1/35 decal sheet for USCG HH-65/MH-65 Dolphin in September. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpiritZeroThree Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The overall length and spacing of the gear should be easy enough to check.the forward end of the main landing gear bays is Station x4430 IIRC, the x4430 frame also being where the cabin ends and the baggage compartment begins. Small problem is the reference datum for the frames is based on the short nose, so the tip of the long nose is actually a negative number for a station reference. When I go back to work on Tuesday I'll crack open the structure repair manual and get frame references for pertinent points on the helo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeejeeZ Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) (...) So far, the 1:48 kitty hawk is the most accurate 365 kit That sucks! The KH Dauphin imho is one big pile of fit problems. I gave mine away to someone with more patience. Have to get me the 1:72 Dream Models. Gertjan Edited August 3, 2015 by GeejeeZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 i know the kitty hawk kit is a mess, but believe me it's the more accurate. That is a real dauphin! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BK-117 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Got my USCG HH-65 Dolphin in the last days. Today i looked over the sprues and i found one big mistake. The Co-pilot´s door part is wrong. There is no clear part for the window on the underside of the door. Hope you guys understand what i mean. Greeting s Michael Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 yes man!I think the trumpeter's team is not so..."Professional". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) That sucks! The KH Dauphin imho is one big pile of fit problems. I gave mine away to someone with more patience. Have to get me the 1:72 Dream Models. :cheers:/>/> Gertjan I love the kitty hawk kit:It is a faithful representation of the real model. There are few incorrect things like the rear landing gear dumpers set as the dauphin is in hovering instead on ground, the "too high" main rotor mast and, i think, the oversized nose. Edited August 7, 2015 by as365n3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeejeeZ Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) (pic) I love the kitty hawk kit:It is a faithful representation of the real model. There are few incorrect things like the rear landing gear dumpers set as the dauphin is in hovering instead on ground, the "too high" main rotor mast and, i think, the oversized nose. (about the picture) Yeah rub it in ! I have seen the pics of the built KH's and they make me even more frustrated. I definitely believe you when you state that the KH- kit is the best representation of the real thing, but I just find the KH- kit horrible to build. Although I must admit that I did not completely finish one, I had the impression that KH never actually built the thing themselves because there were serious fitting problems. I know: a lot of modellers feel positively challenged by that and start cheering that this is just what modelling is all about, but I'm not one of them. When I pay a pretty high price for a model, I expect a model that goes together without too much of a hassle. The other thing I don't like about the KH Dauphin, but that's more personal taste, is the build up of the outside. Nearly every fuselage panel on the kit is moulded separately which ends in a carload of seams that one has to sand flush again to get the smooth appearance modern helicopters have. Btw: Ooops.. wrong thread! Gertjan Edited August 7, 2015 by GeejeeZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Got the kit today. Overall, it doesn't look too bad. One big omission is the T-shaped sensor on top of the main rotor hub. It's shown on the box art, but isn't in the kit. Parts and instructions are here. http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10316142/10/0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eraucubsfan Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure if this is still true, but I used to work at KSGJ south of Jacksonville, FL and the HITRON guys would stop in after target practice for fuel and a bit to eat. They were always real cool and let us check out their birds. Not sure if they still do, but I'm sure they would be more than happy to show you if you just happened to be around when they landed. Edited August 13, 2015 by eraucubsfan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BK-117 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) As i am currently building the new Trumper Dolphin kit, i found some more mistakes : - left front door, no clear part for the under side of the door - speed sensor on the left and right side of the nose missing - sensor on the main rotor hub is missing completely - left sliding door, wrong shape of the clear part - door handles completely missing - right sliding door, fixed provisions on the door for the sliding mechanism completely missing - wrong shape of the wheels - tail light not included Nothing, that you cannot fix with scratching, but for am completely new kit very disappointing. Greetings Michael Edited August 13, 2015 by BK-117 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 As i am currently building the new Trumper Dolphin kit, i found some more mistakes : - left front door, no clear part for the under side of the door - speed sensor on the left and right side of the nose missing - sensor on the main rotor hub is missing completely - left sliding door, wrong shape of the clear part - door handles completely missing - right sliding door, fixed provisions on the door for the sliding mechanism completely missing - wrong shape of the wheels - tail light not included Nothing, that you cannot fix with scratching, but for am completely new kit very disappointing. Greetings Michael Do you have an in progress thread? -Awan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 As i am currently building the new Trumper Dolphin kit, i found some more mistakes : - left front door, no clear part for the under side of the door - speed sensor on the left and right side of the nose missing - sensor on the main rotor hub is missing completely - left sliding door, wrong shape of the clear part - door handles completely missing - right sliding door, fixed provisions on the door for the sliding mechanism completely missing - wrong shape of the wheels - tail light not included Nothing, that you cannot fix with scratching, but for am completely new kit very disappointing. Greetings Michael Hi man!I'd like to see a side shot of the fuselage. Is it possible?Can you measure the distance between the rear and nose gear? Not a great kit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
troschi Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 now I see how Trumpeter messed up the cabin window dimensions on both sides ... considering the retail price (70€ in Europe) you get a box full of botch. Compared to that, you get an EC-135 (with some fitting problems) or a Lynx (without rivets) in 1:32 scale for 30 Euros. Are my expectations too high to aussme that a producer does his homework if they ask for rather high prices? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpiritZeroThree Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Well here are some dimensions to check the Trumpeter kit, I'd do it myself but I won't be moved into the new house for another month or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
as365n3 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Here you have a good reference (official) of the Panther (the fuselage is the same). http://www.suurland.com/blueprints/helicopters/panther-as-565-ub.gif Edited August 15, 2015 by as365n3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 So who is building this... we could use some photos haha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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