foxmulder_ms Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sigh. They fixed it for their 1/72 J-15/Su-33 iirc, how hard could it actually be to adjust the CAD. Also, are those missiles body parts actually made from 2 pieces? With huge seams running across?!?! W...T...H... What is the logic behind that? The canopy and windshield looks comically wrong; vs (actually early soviet Su-30, but it does not matter); Not seen from this angle but the canopy is also still "pinched" as on the 1/32 scale kit. In fact it looks like a direct scale down. I don't think the fuselage sides are fixed either. PS; I am selling 2 Su-27 and 1 Su-27UB Fairy Hobby canopies if anyone is interested. And that is what we call "conflict of interest"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Before Now We are on the way! :woot.gif:/>/>/> RAN That is good news, so you are producing the molds again I assume. We should expect it next year? Edited July 29, 2015 by foxmulder_ms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Sigh. They fixed it for their 1/72 J-15/Su-33 iirc, how hard could it actually be to adjust the CAD. Also, are those missiles body parts actually made from 2 pieces? With huge seams running across?!?! W...T...H... What is the logic behind that? The canopy and windshield looks comically wrong; vs (actually early soviet Su-30, but it does not matter); Not seen from this angle but the canopy is also still "pinched" as on the 1/32 scale kit. In fact it looks like a direct scale down. I don't think the fuselage sides are fixed either. PS; I am selling 2 Su-27 and 1 Su-27UB Fairy Hobby canopies if anyone is interested. The situation where they fixed some errors on 1/72 kits and failed to do so in 1/48 says everything about Trumpeter dedication to accuracy and quality. Too bad A-6 Intruder team didn't work on Flanker. P Edited July 29, 2015 by Petarvu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperTomcat21 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 That is good news, so you are producing the molds again I assume. We should expect it next year? I think so Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkmouth Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The situation where they fixed some errors on 1/72 kits and failed to do so in 1/48 says everything about Trumpeter dedication to accuracy and quality. Too bad A-6 Intruder team didn't work on Flanker. Being that it is an early test shot and the company releasing it is Hobby Boss, not Trumpeter, it says nothing about their dedication to accuracy and quality. I am not so limited in my sight to just look at this release to make such a blanket statement. I build armor and can state that, thanks to the reference material provided to them (not some 'team'), Trumpeter has released some gems. Will the issues be corrected? I don't know. However, I prefer to limit criticism to a specific release and not the company manufacturing it as there will be exceptional and disappointing kits in every manufacturer's catalogs. Yes, I am a hopeless optimist! Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 And that is what we call "conflict of interest"... Now it is your turn out to point out how, exactly, i have conflict of interest pointing out obvious mistakes on HB Su-27UB. Even if i had a conflict of interest (i was supplying info to some magic company working on Su-27UB kit), how would that make the things i pointed out any less wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Trumpeter is Hobby Boss ,there are no difference. Look at the mould pictures above same as Trump 1/72 Flanker... I am not limited in sight,trumpeter/hobby boss dissepointed me so many times with F-105.F-100, Su-24, Ka-27,Mig-17. Mig-15 etc and I own all these kits and I know what I am saying Concerning their latest armour, i commented myself that it is outstanding on separate thread, and that the approach with outside specialist help is something they should practice with a/c kits. Unfortunately this Su-27 is not the case. Also I will give up on bashing Trump , we all saw it too many times, I am also hopelles optimist and I will pass on this and wait for next Flanker in 1/48... Man has to draw the line somewhere P Being that it is an early test shot and the company releasing it is Hobby Boss, not Trumpeter, it says nothing about their dedication to accuracy and quality. I am not so limited in my sight to just look at this release to make such a blanket statement. I build armor and can state that, thanks to the reference material provided to them (not some 'team'), Trumpeter has released some gems. Will the issues be corrected? I don't know. However, I prefer to limit criticism to a specific release and not the company manufacturing it as there will be exceptional and disappointing kits in every manufacturer's catalogs. Yes, I am a hopeless optimist! Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Sidharta Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Could you post some comments on the kit? Thanks P I leave that to the experts.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I leave that to the experts.... Touche, I will say it again and enjoy life without bashing Trump anymore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) The situation where they fixed some errors on 1/72 kits and failed to do so in 1/48 says everything about Trumpeter dedication to accuracy and quality. http://www.internetmodeler.com/scalemodels/flaviation/Trumpeter-1-72-Sukhoi-Su-27UB.php Technically, you're wrong since the 1/72 Su-27UB kit has the same (incorrectly shaped) canopy so they did upscale the kit with dedication to (the same level of) quality :) Edited July 29, 2015 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) And that is what we call "conflict of interest"... in no way he is in "conflict of interest"... since he point out that the test-shots canopy has some profile shape and proportion issues... and then offering for sale his FairyHobby vacform canopies...dedicated to the Academy kit. as the two kit won't have the same length, canopy won't fit from one kit to the other... and, it looks, from the test-shots... that the HB kit will require its own correction part... Yufei Mao, i see good money for you in the future if you adapt your canopies for that upcoming HB kit... my understanding is that Berkut just give up the plan to use the academy kit as a basis for its future flanker builds... then sells dedicated aftermarket items... Edited July 29, 2015 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkmouth Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Trumpeter is Hobby Boss ,there are no difference. Trumpeter and Hobby Boss are sister companies. Trumpeter doing the R & D (at the time I was informed) for both companies. So, a Hobby Boss project handed to them by Trumpeter may be before the updates Trumpeter may have done to their own kits. So, let's wait for this kit together! I hope all the AM I bought for my remaining Academy kit will work for their future single seat variant. :thumbsup:/> Regards, Edited July 29, 2015 by sharkmouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 in no way he is in "conflict of interest"... since he point out that the test-shots canopy has some profile shape and proportion issues... and then offering for sale his FairyHobby vacform canopies...dedicated to the Academy kit. as the two kit won't have the same length, canopy won't fit from one kit to the other... and, it looks, from the test-shots... that the HB kit will require its own correction part... Yufei Mao, i see good money for you in the future if you adapt your canopies for that upcoming HB kit... my understanding is that Berkut just give up the plan to use the academy kit as a basis for its future flanker builds... then sells dedicated aftermarket items... Wait a second. He thought i had conflict of interest and i wanted to point out HB Su-27UB canopy errors... because i want to sell some Fairy hobby canopies?! Haha, that is brilliant. I mean i don't care if people use them on Academy or the future HB kit, makes no difference to me. :D And HB canopy is obviously wrong either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He thought i had conflict of interest and i wanted to point out HB Su-27UB canopy errors... because i want to sell some Fairy hobby canopies?! Haha, that is brilliant. Finally. And I'm sure it was a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 My post was a joke but now I changed my mind. I found Mr. Berkut's post a distasteful advertisement. "Hey guys this canopy looks wrong, I have the ones look right to sell". Okay.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There is nothing wrong with pointing out that some part of a kit is inaccurate if you can back it up with factual inforation. And there is nothing wrong with pointing out an error while also promoting your fix for that error. It's called free enterprise. This is absolutely another case of Trumpeter's "dedication to quality". Every single review of their 1/72 Flankers has pointed out the whacky main gear bays, yet they've done nothing to fixi it. Much as I'd love a 1/48 Flanker, they won't get any of my money for this mediocre effort. You may disagre, and you may love the kit. And that's fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkmouth Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Every single review of their 1/72 Flankers has pointed out the whacky main gear bays, yet they've done nothing to fixi it. They did fix it on their J-15... Whether they will update their previous releases is another question... Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The point is, they made the same mistake on the 1/48 kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkmouth Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) The point is, they made the same mistake on the 1/48 kit. No, Hobby Boss has the mistake on their 1/48th scale kit until Trumpeter sends them updated files to correct them. While sister companies, they are separate entities and start work on kits (which Trumpeter did the R & D for) at the same time. So, we are looking at Trumpeter's original files. If Trumpeter doesn't use the updated files from their J-15 on their other Trumpeter branded products, I will wholeheartedly agree with you. Alex, is Hobby Boss going to get the updated files... are they aware of them? I'm sure they are. We're looking at egos at work here. Hobby Boss seems to have received CAD work which needs updating and I can only smile when I read that they are 'improving' the Tristar AFV model molds they have acquired. Who is actually modifying the molds? Trumpeter? Hobby Boss? Wasan Plastics who will then decide who gets it (unless Merit Productions pays for a release)? Regards, Edited August 4, 2015 by sharkmouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 If that difference is "comically wrong" I would love to hear what you think of the Academy kits canopy. I mean seriously it's comments and hyperbole like that that have lost you credibility Berkut. Point out the errors as I look at that canopy with my 20/20 vision and it looks fine quite acceptable. Comically wrong? If it doesn't scream agenda I have again never seen it. You have great knowledge of these aircraft yet all you write is hyperbole and over reaction. Comically wrong is the Eduard 109G-6 with an error of a meter in span, cock eyed gear legs not one where I'm scratching my head trying to see the problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jinmmydel Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Looks like a Su-27 to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) There is nothing wrong with pointing out that some part of a kit is inaccurate if you can back it up with factual inforation. And there is nothing wrong with pointing out an error while also promoting your fix for that error. It's called free enterprise. This is absolutely another case of Trumpeter's "dedication to quality". Every single review of their 1/72 Flankers has pointed out the whacky main gear bays, yet they've done nothing to fixi it. Much as I'd love a 1/48 Flanker, they won't get any of my money for this mediocre effort. You may disagre, and you may love the kit. And that's fine. Free enterprise? Wow that is so romantic! Next argument will be democracy..? free speech? or putin's love to tigers? There is a buy/sell section for a reason. Also, you cannot even see that bit of the Su-27 model. Are the Hasegawa F-4s "comical" because they do not have the full intakes? Get real. Edited July 30, 2015 by foxmulder_ms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Point out the errors as I look at that canopy with my 20/20 vision and it looks fine quite acceptable. I find this assertion a little hyperbolic Darren. You have perfect sensors (eyes) but it's the brain that sees in the end. What I see in Berkut's Su-30 vs HB comparaison is a flattened windscreen+canopy (in other words, they're not deep or high enough) and a windscreen that doesn't "go into the nose" enough (just "placed on top of the nose", it doesn't "wrap around it"). Such characteristics could be found in the 1/72 Italeri/ICM MiG-29s, 1/72 Bilek/Italeri Su-17/22 or 1/48 KP Su-17/22. It's funny how some things don't change in 15 years. Edited July 30, 2015 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) If that difference is "comically wrong" I would love to hear what you think of the Academy kits canopy.I mean seriously it's comments and hyperbole like that that have lost you credibility Berkut. Point out the errors as I look at that canopy with my 20/20 vision and it looks fine quite acceptable. I'm the last one to nitpick, but just compare the shapes of the middle and front canopy parts from the side to the real airplane ones and it's quite noticeable. Furthermore, the front part (windscreen) when looked from the top doesn't need any comparison - it is completely unlike the real airplane one which is wide and rounded rather than narrow and thus sharp as on the model. But, this is nothing new - it's apparently the same problem from the 1/32 kit and the 1/72 Su-27UB kit so it's not really necessary to go through all this discussion (whether it is correct or not) all over again - the problem is obviously still there, but it's up to the prospective buyers to decide how bothered they are with it. Edited July 30, 2015 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Free enterprise? Wow that is so romantic! Next argument will be democracy..? free speech? or putin's love to tigers? There is a buy/sell section for a reason. Also, you cannot even see that bit of the Su-27 model. Are the Hasegawa F-4s "comical" because they do not have the full intakes? Get real. calm down and vent a little buddy! every time a new tooling is coming to the market, there will be posts offering "a now obsolete kit" or "unrequired anymore aftermarket items" like when trumpy announce their F-106A, there surely was someone to offer their old monogram kit (though its mostly the opposite (like i'll keep my old monogram kits) and also when they announce their F-106B... someone probably "offers" their vacform or resin conversion... so there is no good reason to jump like thise and make such fuss... it's not like members who put their sale thread in the jet modeling forum because there is not enough traffic in the buy and sells subforum...(for them!indeed) Edited July 30, 2015 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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