Colin K Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yes, I do too as do many others............. :(/> I always remember getting chicken wings with Rick and the other Calgary guys at the Regal Beagle, on Centre Street. Always did this when I was working in Penhold and had a free day to go to Calgary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I went to JAXCON this past Saturday. A vendor had a test tool of the Kinetic F/A-18 on display and I must say it looked very nice to me. There was one that was assembled and one still on the sprues. We were allowed to hold the sprues and examine the parts very closely. I'm no Hornet expert but to me the detail leaves the Hasegawa kit behind. I'm getting one when it comes out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
speedlimit Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Can't go wrong with the kit's decal with Fightertown doing it and cartograf making them. Eric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AX 365 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Too bad it doesn't come with a set of "A" tails to allow for a CF-18 A / A+ build...or does it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nonrivetcounter Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) I would recommend these decals for european Hornets. http://www.f-4dablemodels.com/our-projects/export-bugs/export-bugs-1/ But the Kinetic Decal options are great. The swiss one looks cool and it is not covered by the F-4dable sheet. Edited February 10, 2016 by nonrivetcounter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewPerren Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I think those are some nice decal options. Might buy one to do a Swiss bird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Could somebody assess this area. The slime light on the port side from the picture from Kinetic facebook (see below) seems to be a little too steep or pointing too downward as compared to this picture from prime portal (see below). Also, there is a bump above the slime light on the kinetic's kit but none on the prime portal's picture, why is that? Is that part already fixed on the fuselage of the kinetic's kit or is it an extra part wherein the modeler will choose whether to attach it or not? http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle2/fa-18a_162904/images/fa-18a_162904_04_of_40.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALF18 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Hello Raymond, from the sprue shots it looks like the horizontal stabs will be molded with the rudders in place. Hornets on the ground, however, usually have them pointing inwards. Are you considering giving us seperate rudders to save us the cutting? Looking forward to this kit, Daniel Rudders tend to blow with the wind when parked on the ground, hydraulics off. They don't always point inwards, and sometimes both point the same direction (i.e. both left or both right) if the wind pushes them that way. Separately-moulded rudders would indeed be nice. ALF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I always remember getting chicken wings with Rick and the other Calgary guys at the Regal Beagle, on Centre Street. Always did this when I was working in Penhold and had a free day to go to Calgary. :thumbsup:/>/> Yup. We consumed our fair share of beer and wings sitting out on the deck. Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Also, there is a bump above the slime light on the kinetic's kit but none on the prime portal's picture, why is that? Is that part already fixed on the fuselage of the kinetic's kit or is it an extra part wherein the modeler will choose whether to attach it or not? http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle2/fa-18a_162904/images/fa-18a_162904_04_of_40.jpg That is because the kit depicts an F/A-18C and the photo you linked to is of an F/A-18A. The bump you're referring to is an antenna that is only found on the F/A-18C/D aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChippyWho Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Could somebody assess this area. The slime light on the port side from the picture from Kinetic facebook (see below) seems to be a little too steep or pointing too downward as compared to this picture from prime portal (see below). Also, there is a bump above the slime light on the kinetic's kit but none on the prime portal's picture, why is that? Is that part already fixed on the fuselage of the kinetic's kit or is it an extra part wherein the modeler will choose whether to attach it or not? http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle2/fa-18a_162904/images/fa-18a_162904_04_of_40.jpg Not sure about the slime light angle, but the 'bump' (RHAW antenna) configuration in the Kinetic photo is that of an F/A-18C, whereas the PrimePortal pic shows the F/A-18A. In 1/48 kits the additional C-type blisters are usually supplied as separate parts to simplify production. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlienFrogModeller Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Rudders tend to blow with the wind when parked on the ground, hydraulics off. They don't always point inwards, and sometimes both point the same direction (i.e. both left or both right) if the wind pushes them that way. Separately-moulded rudders would indeed be nice. ALF Wrong. Rudders don't tend to blow where the wind pushes them. The Flight Control Systems, without going into much detail, tells the rudder where to be, then with residual Hyd pressure left in the system may push them, depending on where the shuttle valve in the Hyd actuator, will let the pressure bleed off, thus the final position of the flight control. OR, where the tech pushes them for maint reasons, or simply to move them for a better visual inspection. This is true for all flight controls, TE Flaps included - may drop over time due to hyd bleed off, LE flaps excluded. The horz stabs sit back due to center of gravity, and sometimes stays up due to mech reasons on the rare ocassions. Seperately molded rudders, for myself, I'll scribe to the point of connection to the Vert stab and gently move the rudders in a more appropiate postion. BTW which there is no wrong position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Wrong. Rudders don't tend to blow where the wind pushes them. The Flight Control Systems, without going into much detail, tells the rudder where to be, then with residual Hyd pressure left in the system may push them, depending on where the shuttle valve in the Hyd actuator, will let the pressure bleed off, thus the final position of the flight control. OR, where the tech pushes them for maint reasons, or simply to move them for a better visual inspection. This is true for all flight controls, TE Flaps included - may drop over time due to hyd bleed off, LE flaps excluded. The horz stabs sit back due to center of gravity, and sometimes stays up due to mech reasons on the rare ocassions. Seperately molded rudders, for myself, I'll scribe to the point of connection to the Vert stab and gently move the rudders in a more appropiate postion. BTW which there is no wrong position. I can't tell you how many days on the flight deck with 30+ knots of wind I've seen every rudder facing aft, the wind can certainly move them if its strong enough. I've seen squadrons crunch ailerons, because the locking pin didn't engage with wings folded, and the wind pushes the aileron back into the TEF, I've also seen jets on the 1 or 4 row with the horizontal stabs lift due to updraft over the bow. Edited February 10, 2016 by rightwinger26 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlienFrogModeller Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I can't tell you how many days on the flight deck with 30+ knots of wind I've seen every rudder facing aft, the wind can certainly move them if its strong enough. I've seen squadrons crunch ailerons, because the locking pin didn't engage with wings folded, and the wind pushes the aileron back into the TEF, I've also seen jets on the 1 or 4 row with the horizontal stabs lift due to updraft over the bow. Never seen this...winds moving rudders. If you have seen the wind move the rudder (CF-188 Ops on ground - should have made that clear, no naval Ops here)...my bad, you're right, my apologies to ALF and Rightwinger26. Locking pin...is for the wing fold electrical mechanism, locks the wing fold and the ailerson is locked in place(A/B versions) mechanically (unless the mech locks are broken) but where I'm confused is when they hit the TEF...the TEF must be in the up position and the wings folded? Kool, never seen that. Horz stabs with wind will move, never disputed that, but they will settle (wind dependant) - unless the bearing inside is starting to let go and may stay in the "up" position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian P: Fightertown Decals Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 There is NO angle to the formation light on the kit. The pictures are giving you an optical illusion. I have the test plastic in hand and can without a doubt assure you that the formation light is perfectly perpendicular to the fuselage and ground as it should be. I'll let Raymond, or someone official post a picture or approve me posting a picture as I have the plastic to size the decals too and don't speak for Kinetic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Could somebody assess this area. The slime light on the port side from the picture from Kinetic facebook (see below) seems to be a little too steep or pointing too downward as compared to this picture from prime portal (see below). Also, there is a bump above the slime light on the kinetic's kit but none on the prime portal's picture, why is that? Is that part already fixed on the fuselage of the kinetic's kit or is it an extra part wherein the modeler will choose whether to attach it or not? This has been discussed up-thread. According to Raymond, the slime light is an optical illusion caused by a broken landing gear leg (the display model was damaged in transit) and a mis-aligned RHAW antenna. It looks slanted on the build, but it's straight on the kit. The antenna itself (bump) is a separate piece. As mentioned, it's a C/D-specific part; just leave it off for an A/B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Locking pin...is for the wing fold electrical mechanism, locks the wing fold and the ailerson is locked in place(A/B versions) mechanically (unless the mech locks are broken) but where I'm confused is when they hit the TEF...the TEF must be in the up position and the wings folded? Kool, never seen that. If the aileron locking pin, the mechanical spring loaded one under the aileron shroud doesn't engage, with the wings folded and the TEF's open full, the aileron can move in enough to rub upper edge of the TEF. Sometimes those locking pins will get bent, or they will stick if they aren't lubed enough and not lock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 That is because the kit depicts an F/A-18C and the photo you linked to is of an F/A-18A. The bump you're referring to is an antenna that is only found on the F/A-18C/D aircraft. Hi Dave Roof! Yeah I guess I posted an F/A-18A picture maybe because the info registered in my mind is still that of an F/A-18A from the earliest thread given out by the manufacturer; didn't remember it was already changed to a C later on. My mistake... :wacko: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Colin K Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Too bad it doesn't come with a set of "A" tails to allow for a CF-18 A / A+ build...or does it? There will be a CF-18 kit coming out some time after this one is released. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Not sure about the slime light angle, but the 'bump' (RHAW antenna) configuration in the Kinetic photo is that of an F/A-18C, whereas the PrimePortal pic shows the F/A-18A. In 1/48 kits the additional C-type blisters are usually supplied as separate parts to simplify production. Hi ChippyWho! Yeah I guess I posted an F/A-18A picture maybe because the info registered in my mind is still that of an F/A-18A from the earliest thread given out by the manufacturer; didn't remember it was already changed to a C later on. My mistake... :wacko: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 There is NO angle to the formation light on the kit. The pictures are giving you an optical illusion. I have the test plastic in hand and can without a doubt assure you that the formation light is perfectly perpendicular to the fuselage and ground as it should be. I'll let Raymond, or someone official post a picture or approve me posting a picture as I have the plastic to size the decals too and don't speak for Kinetic. Hi Brian! Coming straight from you and that you said you have the test plastic right there with you, I would certainly believe that it was indeed an optical illusion and that they are indeed perpendicular to the fuselage and the ground. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 This has been discussed up-thread. According to Raymond, the slime light is an optical illusion caused by a broken landing gear leg (the display model was damaged in transit) and a mis-aligned RHAW antenna. It looks slanted on the build, but it's straight on the kit. The antenna itself (bump) is a separate piece. As mentioned, it's a C/D-specific part; just leave it off for an A/B. Hi MoFo! Understood. Thank you for the clarification! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AX 365 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 There will be a CF-18 kit coming out some time after this one is released. Thanks for that tidbit CK. Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I can't tell you how many days on the flight deck with 30+ knots of wind I've seen every rudder facing aft, the wind can certainly move them if its strong enough. I've seen squadrons crunch ailerons, because the locking pin didn't engage with wings folded, and the wind pushes the aileron back into the TEF, I've also seen jets on the 1 or 4 row with the horizontal stabs lift due to updraft over the bow. That must be some wind as I have never seen rudders move in the wind either. I've never tried to move them by hand, although I have pushed the trailing edge flaps up by hand after a wash job to drain the excess water out of the drain holes and I know that takes a little effort. I guess on a carrier those winds can get very ferocious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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