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Scooby,

If you count the panel line, I can share with you the rivet count in Hasegawa is incorrect.

One of noticeable difference is the grill shape panel in the middle of the lower belly is different from existing kit. After checking, the new f18 batch including the updated one will have grill style panel covered while other offering are some lump and pump inside. We checked the photo and confirmed that most f18c nowadays with grill like panel covered.

For the nose, i can confirmed that the shape is just same as hasegawa one. Maybe the panel line affect your view. This happens last time when the test shot of FRS1 nose stated incorrect because of a panel rivert position as well as the nose was not painted black. We have not modified the nose at last and if confirm it is sight error from photo.

What i want say i do accept feedback and correct it as far as much we can. Also I respect people have different view if he thinks we do miss the shape, but we have been employed a new shape validation process since the F5A, so no more F16 droppy nose case would happen.

I am sorry that the test shot sample right MLG was broken during transport, so the view you see if a f18 with right MLG broken. Not in level position. Therefore what you see is some edge curve. If you treated this as level position, the nose seems off. Like i told you we had checked hundred times with the shape one nose, windscreen and correct the spine shape (which is slight mishape in other offering) as compare with the cross section map).

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I see plenty to like in those photos. As usual I will not pass judgement until I've seen some production plastic. I'm waiting for the F/A-18A++ versions suitable for RAAF. Nice to see some two seater inclusions as well. I think the wing setup is the best compromise.

Thanks Kinetic for your persistence.

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As a current Maint Supr on the Hornet...I think it looks good. A model company, no matter which one it is will never, ever, ever get it exactly right:

1. Modifications do not always affect a fleet, allot of the times a single aircraft.

- Some panels do not exist on all aircraft even tho they are of the same LOT number form the production line.

- Some Mods maybe not completed as the time line to complete Mod are over a very long period of time.

- Damage to a particular ac may have had a Mod to strengthen/repair due to in incident/fatigue etc.

- There maybe an approved repair/mod to a fleet, but not imposed until the fatigue/cracks occur. Dependent on the role of the ac, it may be years before it is used.

2. Some ac are a one time Mod for testing, used only for that particular test and removed when completed.

- Sometimes when a Mod is used for testing and it is to be reverted, a repair has taken place and could show a different panel/repair etc after. Or it may not.

3. Some ac have had some serious failure ( for whatever reason) and has had a completely new section replaced.

- A Nose section (tip to the front of the Lex) of the ac could have bee replaced, Canada has exported this to other countries to repair theirs.

- Canada has an ac that has a C model Vert stab, lost one in flight from an inflight collision with another Hornet. (I watched it land with one Vert Stab)

4. Parts out of the supply system may not be exactly be the same as the original ac came off the assy line.

-Some partts are used from retired ac from different LOT numbers but are still applicable in some ways, that means if it fits...screw it on and send it flying. APU panel is a good example. There are 2 types on the Canadian Hornet - Mess screen and looks like a drilled hole panel.

As for some of the issues...to me they seem small. At least some of these items can be sanded down to proper shape and thickness, rather than building from scratch.

As for the sizes of questionable items...send me the diemention for which you do not agree with, I'll tell you if they are wrong. But from my point of view..I am quite excited to have this kit in my hands and build.

Mr. Chung...carry on with this kit, I'm sure it will be a good kit, a scale representation, of the real thing. I'll proudly build it when it is released and have it displayed in my office here in the Hornet's Nest, where I love to work in everyday.

Let the flaming beging...bring it..I'll laugh as I stand beside MY HORNETS and shake my head to the ones who think they know. Always a good laugh to read sometimes.

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- Canada has an ac that has a C model Vert stab, lost one in flight from an inflight collision with another Hornet. (I watched it land with one Vert Stab)

Do you have a photo of this? What's the tail number?

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I disagree. I think this is great. Hasegawa has been the standard for 48th Hornets for a while, but early A/B models have become nearly impossible to find and these days, Hasegawa kits are running over $100 (here in Canada, anyways). Kinetic has delivered on some great wishlist items, but taking a crack at something that has already been tooled by other companies, isn't a bad thing either. :thumbsup:/>

Wow!! A $100 for a CF-188? I picked up two Hasegawa CAF boxings a few years back at a vendor's table for $25 USD a peice. I will say this, my build skills on tough kits aren't that great, and I have fought very hard to build a couple of Kinetic kits. I lost one fight and nearing a victory with another, but it hasn't been fun for me. I guess I'm spoiled, but I like kits that "click together", or at least match up decently. I will wait for a build review of this kit before I shelve out my money. Good luck Kinetic, I hope this kit is a success for you.

Cheers

Brad

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Guys be nice, we should embrace the opportunity to have someone from the manifacturers talk to us and take pur feedback, you dont see hasegawa or tamiya doing this. But be nice because if you bash them they will just get off the forums and ignore us. Kinda like twobobs not posting here anymore has 50% of the cpmment where "why are you not doing it in my scale" witch is aa constant irritant

Just my 2cents

Thank you Raymond for beeing on the forums .

Cant wait to see this product

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To quote Bill Murray: "that's not something you see every day."

That's a strange place for a mid-air collision to happen. Disturbingly similar to a Snowbirds transit collision, where one of the coordinators slowly flew into a rear slot position, while another Snowbird was under his nose, and took off his horizontal stab. The guys missing the stab had to eject under extreme negative G, and the guy who was asleep at the switch and flew into him landed with slight damage to his nose area, in Calgary I think. The collision happened near Swift Current in the early 80s, if memory serves me right.

Thanks for posting the picture of such a unique configuration.

ALF

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As of yet to see the latest kits up close but Kinetic kits have improved with each new kit released, parts fit have improved vastly. The Hasegawa F18 was a good kit but was lacking in some areas like weapons options, easy assembly and fit. Rick was a good friend and wanted a better F18 1/48 he built many f18 his favorite to build for color birds was the old monogram munch easier for fit and assembly. Raymond has done and excellent job making this kit happen, and for what i see in the test shot built up it will be a good kit, the hasegawa is over 20 years old and retails for $100 without recent airframe updates. I am looking forward for this kit as it looks good to my eye.

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As of yet to see the latest kits up close but Kinetic kits have improved with each new kit released, parts fit have improved vastly. The Hasegawa F18 was a good kit but was lacking in some areas like weapons options, easy assembly and fit. Rick was a good friend and wanted a better F18 1/48 he built many f18 his favorite to build for color birds was the old monogram munch easier for fit and assembly. Raymond has done and excellent job making this kit happen, and for what i see in the test shot built up it will be a good kit, the hasegawa is over 20 years old and retails for $100 without recent airframe updates. I am looking forward for this kit as it looks good to my eye.

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Hello Raymond,

from the sprue shots it looks like the horizontal stabs will be molded with the rudders in place. Hornets on the ground, however, usually have them pointing inwards.

Are you considering giving us seperate rudders to save us the cutting?

Looking forward to this kit,

Daniel

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Hello Raymond,

from the sprue shots it looks like the horizontal stabs will be molded with the rudders in place. Hornets on the ground, however, usually have them pointing inwards.

Are you considering giving us seperate rudders to save us the cutting?

Looking forward to this kit,

Daniel

I think Daniel meant the vertical stabs.....but yes. I would like to see separate rudders on future releases if possible. It is nice to have the option to pose them, as they generally aren't in a neutral position on the ground.

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929 - If I remember correctly, I'll confirm.

Doug W and I were just talking about this today, he was on shift when the mid-air occurred.

He said the next day two pilots signed out the other tub and did a walkaround of the wrong jet. Doug just watched them, the front guy strapped in and the backseater just stared at the missing fin.

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Scooby,

If you count the panel line, I can share with you the rivet count in Hasegawa is incorrect.

One of noticeable difference is the grill shape panel in the middle of the lower belly is different from existing kit. After checking, the new f18 batch including the updated one will have grill style panel covered while other offering are some lump and pump inside. We checked the photo and confirmed that most f18c nowadays with grill like panel covered.

For the nose, i can confirmed that the shape is just same as hasegawa one. Maybe the panel line affect your view. This happens last time when the test shot of FRS1 nose stated incorrect because of a panel rivert position as well as the nose was not painted black. We have not modified the nose at last and if confirm it is sight error from photo.

What i want say i do accept feedback and correct it as far as much we can. Also I respect people have different view if he thinks we do miss the shape, but we have been employed a new shape validation process since the F5A, so no more F16 droppy nose case would happen.

I am sorry that the test shot sample right MLG was broken during transport, so the view you see if a f18 with right MLG broken. Not in level position. Therefore what you see is some edge curve. If you treated this as level position, the nose seems off. Like i told you we had checked hundred times with the shape one nose, windscreen and correct the spine shape (which is slight mishape in other offering) as compare with the cross section map).

By panel lines I should have defined it as access panels. I just took a look at another of the images on your Facebook page and I see you didn't miss what I thought you had, I thought the AMAD/APU/engine access panels were all missed. I see them now in the second photo on your Facebook page. Sorry, I didn't notice that second image.

But I can't see the APU service panel between the main gear doors. As well, I know that panel type differs from aircraft to aircraft and no two are alike. That you may have missed or you may have it as a solid panel without a screen.

By the way Raymond, I had lunch and dinner with you a few times in Cold Lake. I escorted you with Rick around the airfield.

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