Alpagueur Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Hi guys, I was wondering which jets (and in which timeframe) used this pod... short and long version. TIA. Edited October 1, 2015 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Take a look here: http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-184.htm You need Flashplayer for this one: http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/073/073x.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkJester Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The AN/ALQ-184 Jamming pod is carried by any of the aircraft that used to carry the AN/ALQ-119 Pod. The 184 is a Raytheon upgraded Westinghouse 119. Raytheon upgraded some of the circuit boards (the PCB's) and the Antenna(s) The 184 came out around 1982 or 83, if I recall. The only aircraft I have seen carry either one were F-4's, F-16's, and A-10's. There MIGHT have been some on F-111's and F-15's But I have never seen one hung on them. We used to ferry the 119's on station 3 of the F-16, then quick turn them to station 5. I have seen them carried on Station 7, because it was the Isolated station and couldn't be spuriously dropped. I think the F-4(g)? WW carried them on one of the inboard stations, and the A-10's carried them on Station 3 or 4. The Pods were/are VERY effective and worked really well with the RTWR, or RHAW, or TEWS. Whichever version you had of the AN/ALR-69 When you use an ECM Pod plus the Chaff/Flare system (AN/ALE-47? I think) and the RHAW systems together, I believe they called it "Compass Tie" or some such crap. It's been like 30 years, so the old memory ain't what it used to be. I'll bet there's a whole website about it though. As far as Time frame, I was hanging/fixing AN/ALQ-119 pods in the early 80's and they were first used in Vietnam on the Wild Weasels, the 184 came out, like I said in 82 or 83, and are still being used today. I know they used them in OIF and other current operations. Is that too much? Sorry. I'm old, I tend to ramble. Jester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 As far as Time frame, I was hanging/fixing AN/ALQ-119 pods in the early 80's and they were first used in Vietnam on the Wild Weasels, the 184 came out, like I said in 82 or 83, and are still being used today. I know they used them in OIF and other current operations. Is that too much? Sorry. I'm old, I tend to ramble. Jester OT but was the ALQ-119 used in Vietnam? Thought it came around later.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkJester Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 From what I remember from the guys I worked with, and the Pod shop guys, and from what I have read, the AN/ALQ119 Jamming Pod was used in Vietnam. Hung on F4 Wild Weasels. I'm sure it had gone through several updates since then, but I'm about 99% on the Vietnam usage. I always Have at least 1% doubt for deniability :)/> Jester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 OT but was the ALQ-119 used in Vietnam? Thought it came around later.... It would appear so: http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-119.htm: http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Westinghouse_AN/ALQ-119 HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 It would appear so: http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/an-alq-119.htm: http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Westinghouse_AN/ALQ-119 HTH, Andre Interesting, thanks for the links. Don't recall seeing any pics of deployed USAF F-4 with this pod. Gotta do some digging.... Regards, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 To the original question, the AN/ALQ-184 is basically a contemporary to the AN/ALQ-131, which was introduced about 1984.In US service, these pods are only used by USAF jets, not by the USN or USMC. Initially the -131s were favored in Europe, while the -184s were seen more on US and PACAF jets. Whether there was more to that decision than logistic convenience, I don't know. There were short/long -184s and deep/shallow -131s, depending on which bands the pods had to cover. F-111E/Fs only used shallow -131s, and I've seen pictures of F-4EJs carrying them as well. F-4Gs, A-10s and F-16s all seemed to favor the deep variants. I have pictures of short -184s on A-10s and F-16s and long ones on F-16s and F-4Gs. F-15s rely on an internal system and don't typically fly with pods, although you may see some aggressor jets with pods (but not -131s or -184s). Now, as to the -119 pods, they were NOT used in Vietnam. Pods used then were the ALQ-71, -87 and -101s and their QRC predecessors. After Vietnam, the later 'double bubble' ALQ-101 pods were introduced, with the (V)10s seen on the British Jaguars and Buccaneers as late as Desert Storm. I think the Israelis were using late -101s (or possibly early -119s) during the 1973 Yom Kipper War when they discovered that their pods were completely ineffective against the SA-6. Shortly thereafter is when the 'box' and short lower gondola showed up at the front of the -119 pods containing the equipment to counter the SA-6. This is just a thumbnail sketch off the top of my head as I'm not home at the moment, so there may be a couple of minor errors in the above. There are a LOT of omissions as there were lots of similar pods and sub-variants I've left out. But from a modeling standpoint, this should serve as a pretty good guide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 There were short/long -184s and deep/shallow -131s, depending on which bands the pods had to cover. F-111E/Fs only used shallow -131s, and I've seen pictures of F-4EJs carrying them as well. F-4Gs, A-10s and F-16s all seemed to favor the deep variants. I have pictures of short -184s on A-10s and F-16s and long ones on F-16s and F-4Gs. F-15s rely on an internal system and don't typically fly with pods, although you may see some aggressor jets with pods (but not -131s or -184s). I agree. Do you know if the -184 had been used by A-10 during the 1991 Gulf War? thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I agree. Do you know if the -184 had been used by A-10 during the 1991 Gulf War? thanks. AFAIK these were only used by Desert Storm F-4G's, the A-10 units having to make do with the AN/ALQ-119 and -131. HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkJester Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) deleted Edited October 5, 2015 by DarkJester Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DET1460 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) The AN/ALQ-184 Jamming pod is carried by any of the aircraft that used to carry the AN/ALQ-119 Pod. The 184 is a Raytheon upgraded Westinghouse 119. Raytheon upgraded some of the circuit boards (the PCB's) and the Antenna(s) The 184 came out around 1982 or 83, if I recall. The only aircraft I have seen carry either one were F-4's, F-16's, and A-10's. There MIGHT have been some on F-111's and F-15's But I have never seen one hung on them. We used to ferry the 119's on station 3 of the F-16, then quick turn them to station 5. I have seen them carried on Station 7, because it was the Isolated station and couldn't be spuriously dropped. I think the F-4(g)? WW carried them on one of the inboard stations, and the A-10's carried them on Station 3 or 4. The Pods were/are VERY effective and worked really well with the RTWR, or RHAW, or TEWS. Whichever version you had of the AN/ALR-69 When you use an ECM Pod plus the Chaff/Flare system (AN/ALE-47? I think) and the RHAW systems together, I believe they called it "Compass Tie" or some such crap. It's been like 30 years, so the old memory ain't what it used to be. I'll bet there's a whole website about it though. As far as Time frame, I was hanging/fixing AN/ALQ-119 pods in the early 80's and they were first used in Vietnam on the Wild Weasels, the 184 came out, like I said in 82 or 83, and are still being used today. I know they used them in OIF and other current operations. Is that too much? Sorry. I'm old, I tend to ramble. Jester Join the club, Jester! And it just gets worserer... And the 111's, the later birds, if I'm not mistaken carried the '131 shallow. It had to clear on rotation. And I believe the F-4G's carried the '184 in the left, forward Sparrow well, more often than not. Hope this helps. DET1460 Edited October 9, 2015 by DET1460 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 This is some great info going around. However here is one correction to be made, A-7's did indeed carry the pods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) great photo whiskey! can you find some pics out there of F-4G in Euro 1 or Hill 2 schemes carrying the -184 short pod? many thanks. Edited October 9, 2015 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) This is some great info going around. However here is one correction to be made, A-7's did indeed carry the pods. Indeed a great shot, but that is a long AN/ALQ-119(V) or possibly the externally indistinguishable QRC 80-01 update. In my research, I've found that the only use of the AN/ALQ-184(V) during Desert Storm was by the 35th TFW F-4Gs out of George AFB in the front left Sparrow well (Spangdahlem AB F-4Gs used the AN/ALQ-131). By OEF/OIF, the -184s were standard on the A-10 & F-16; never used by F-15s. Here's a short one on a Hawg [note how much longer the lower gondola is than the one on the AN/ALQ-119(V)]: And a long one on a Weasel from an angle so you can see its mounting hardware: BTW, the Lawn Darts use the long pods carried on the centerline. I have some pics of those, but they are copyrighted by others. Edited October 9, 2015 by mrvark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Long -184 pods are also carried by A-10's but only in certain theaters PACAF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 is it a -184? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joerg Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) is it a -184? Yes it is a ALQ-184. For easy identification just look for the bottom fairing: If it is long as on the F-4G you posted or the pics from mrvark, it is a ALQ-184. If it is short as on the A-7 pic it´s a ALQ-119. HTH, Joerg PS: One addition: I have seen some pics of short 184s on F-16s somewhere. Edited October 9, 2015 by Joerg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Here is a A-7D with a short -119, almost looks like a -184: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/9/2/2021296.jpg Here are a couple of F-16s from different squadrons with different ECM pods: http://www.dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/f-16/usa/84-1262_1.jpg Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Here are a couple of F-16s from different squadrons with different ECM pods: http://www.dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/f-16/usa/84-1262_1.jpg Clearly a Desert Storm shot--the jet in the front is from Shaw AFB with an AN/ALQ-119 (or QRC pod), while the one in back is from Hahn AB with a shallow AN/ALQ-131(V). This reflects the standard ECM fits for TAC and USAFE at that time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Anyone with knowledge of the Polish Block 52? Does the Polish AF use any of the pods? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ljmorrow92 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I could be completely wrong here but I think I remember the Polish jets having ASPJ. They wouldn't fly with ECM pods with ASPJ. Its already built in to the airframe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Do we export these pods to other countries? I don't recall seeing any pics of them on foreign jets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, 11bee said: Do we export these pods to other countries? I don't recall seeing any pics of them on foreign jets. I believe Taiwan has them for their F-16’s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 On 10/3/2015 at 10:47 AM, mrvark said: F-15s rely on an internal system and don't typically fly with pods, although you may see some aggressor jets with pods (but not -131s or -184s). Jim, One caveat to that. Every now and then we used to go down to Seymour-Johnson and borrow a 131 pod (or two) and throw it on our tubs to provide some "Red Air" EA training on TI rides. Not sure if other bases did that though. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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