Crazy Snap Captain Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Berkut, You forget to give us an Allah Snackbar warning... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 thanks Berkut for posting those numerous videos ...some really cool stuff in there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor01 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Iranian F-14 Tomcats escorting the Bear @ 1:22. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) I would seriously consider to give a body part away to see Tu-160's take off at full AB this close in real life... F-14's, escorting Bears to hit targets in Syria... "For ours" and "For Paris" on bombs; Pilots and technicians of Hmeymim airbase have sent by priority airmail their message to terrorists. Edited November 20, 2015 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 A lot of cruise missiles being dropped in all these videos but none seen actually fly away. Any of you know how such a system is designed to work? Nap of the earth flying and therefore start of engine close to the ground? I'm asking because in at least one instance the pictures are taken from right atop a bomb bay and the missile is seen dropping for a good while with nothing happening. Anyway, thanks everyone for providing all these links! More than interesting from an historical and [plastic] modeling perspective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Air-Craft Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I would seriously consider to give a body part away to see Tu-160's take off at full AB this close in real life... Only "a" part? - I would give several..... The Tu-160 is undoubtedly the epitome of the large bomber. Back in the day the patchwork silver development aircraft would often be used at air shows - apparently their light weight due to reduced fit, multitude of high lift devices & installed power made for some unforgettable displays. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 A lot of cruise missiles being dropped in all these videos but none seen actually fly away. Wat. One can clearly see the turbofan and wings deploy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) There`s some footage out there from the alternative view point of cruise missiles being fired up to optimal altitude by a booster rocket from Caspian Flotilla ships. The booster falls away leaving the missile to fly under power of it`s own turbojet. There is also Peshmerga footage of the Russian missiles from earlier strikes flying overhead. Interesting footage on this thread, thanks! :thumbsup:/> Edited November 21, 2015 by Ian Buick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Wat. One can clearly see the turbofan and wings deploy. Ah, yes. Turbofan deploys (!) for flight - I did see the motor hanging at the rear end, therefore it must be flying. I don't know why I expected to see something more dramatic indicating flight [exhaust trail, wings deploy [which we established are there after all, but which I failed to see due to late hour and lack of sleep]. Thanks for the heads up! And please stop taking everything like an insult towards your presence, knowledge and efforts to share here something or towards Russian hardware and actions. At least in my case (and that applies maybe not to all but to many others also, surely) there is nothing more behind the typed words and sentences, other than what they literally say. So, no need for that "Wat." - whatever that's suppose to mean. We like having you here and hearing what you have to say. Stay knowledgeable and be nice so as not to spoil the knowledgeable part :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Ah, yes. Turbofan deploys (!) for flight - I did see the motor hanging at the rear end, therefore it must be flying. I don't know why I expected to see something more dramatic indicating flight [exhaust trail, wings deploy [which we established are there after all, but which I failed to see due to late hour and lack of sleep]. Thanks for the heads up! :thumbsup:/>/> And please stop taking everything like an insult towards your presence, knowledge and efforts to share here something or towards Russian hardware and actions. At least in my case (and that applies maybe not to all but to many others also, surely) there is nothing more behind the typed words and sentences, other than what they literally say. So, no need for that "Wat." - whatever that's suppose to mean. We like having you here and hearing what you have to say. Stay knowledgeable and be nice so as not to spoil the knowledgeable part :)/>/> I have no interest to judge whether there is something more behind words and sentences on the Internet so i judge what people say is what they mean; which is true 99,99999999% of the time. But fair enough, noted. It is actually kinda surprising Kh-101 deploys turbofan like that at all considering its stealthy nature. Guess it was a design consideration; they could drop intake instead of the turbofan itself at increased complexity and worsened range. The most likely threat of cruise missiles are from the above anyway. 18 Calibr cruise missiles launched from Caspian Sea; Kh-101 launches from Tu-160 while being escorted by Su-30SM; Also interesting overview; Even though in Russian most should be clear. 101 cruise missiles in total fired between 17-20 November, 83 of which were from air by Tu-160/Tu-95MS. Number of air missions second to last and last is the number of targets hit. In total, 69 aircraft are involved against ISIL targets. Missions in total should be around 3000 now which is about the same as the coalition i think. Edited November 21, 2015 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 That`s the one Berkut. Caspian Flotilla ships: Gepard class frigate (102 metres) and Buyan-M class corvettes (75 metres) both capable of launching Kalibr cruise missiles. Cheers, Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Plenty of pictures out there of unmarked US aircraft deployed in the mid-east. I wouldn't get too worked up over this. any references? would make for a different build. Are the markings intentionally removed or part of maintenance? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) dear Mr Putin I believe you should stop overpainting the Russian star on your aircraft in Syria. As an obsessive modeler it now requires me to put on the decal then I have to overspray it with a shade of grey that is the same but slightly darker or lighter than the rest of the plane. This requires me to mix paint and I now need reference photos of top sides and bottom of aircraft top get the colors and shape of the overpainted area correct. If you are going to do this please provide proper photos and a corrected color sample. p.s. I build pilot figures, please provide cloth samples from flight suits so i can color match these too, dude you are ruining my hobby! Edited November 21, 2015 by DarkKnight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) That`s the one Berkut. :thumbsup:/>/>/> Caspian Flotilla ships: Gepard class frigate (102 metres) and Buyan-M class corvettes (75 metres) both capable of launching Kalibr cruise missiles. Cheers, Ian Ah, i actually thought that all launches were done from Buyan-M (cool little ships) but one can see atleast one Gepard in the newest video. Apparently "Dagestan" (Gepard) was also used in the previous sea cruise missile launches, again thought it was just Buyan-M's there. any references? would make for a different build. Are the markings intentionally removed or part of maintenance? Normal aircraft would have markings. He is probably referring to things like RQ-170, WB-57 and SHHHH-60 (and god knows what else) not exactly boasting of USAF markings. Or CIA operateed Mi-8's that are registered in some small countries. They have been applying stars to more aircraft but still not all of them have them. Edited November 21, 2015 by Berkut Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) any references? would make for a different build. Are the markings intentionally removed or part of maintenance? Google U-28 for lots of pics of USAF aircraft in unmarked civilian schemes. Here's one: https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8p01hVBWkCgAZzsunIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTIyY2NmY2FrBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAMyNmIxZThjYTk1ZDI1YmJmM2Q2OThjOWEwMGU1MDY4YQRncG9zAzIEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3DU-28%26type%3Ddefault%26fr%3Dyhs-mozilla-008%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26hsimp%3Dyhs-008%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D2&w=1280&h=720&imgurl=upload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F1%2F15%2FPilatus_U-28_Niamey.jpg%2F1280px-Pilatus_U-28_Niamey.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2Ffile%3Apilatus_u-28_niamey.jpg&size=153.7KB&name=File%3APilatus+%3Cb%3EU-28%3C%2Fb%3E+Niamey.jpg&p=U-28&oid=26b1e8ca95d25bbf3d698c9a00e5068a&fr2=piv-web&fr=yhs-mozilla-008&tt=File%3APilatus+%3Cb%3EU-28%3C%2Fb%3E+Niamey.jpg&b=0∋=21&no=2&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11u1qgb4v&sigb=14b58p28g&sigi=13808t431&sigt=113hjs9it&sign=113hjs9it&.crumb=TfpGB/ijwpr&fr=yhs-mozilla-008&fr2=piv-web&hsimp=yhs-008&hspart=mozilla&type=default Even the ones in tactical grey schemes typically do not carry national markings. Lots of other examples of unmarked aircraft out there, some are operated by by "civilian" agencies but many others are military aircraft. Years ago, the first MC-130's had the national insignia mounted on a placard so it could easily be removed for missions in sensative areas. Edited November 21, 2015 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 ^^^ thanks, I was wondering about F-15Es or F-16s in combat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 ^^^ thanks, I was wondering about F-15Es or F-16s in combat Ahh... In that case, I don't think you'll find anything. Anyhoo, didn't mean to take this very informative threat off-topic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 On the face of it, Russian technology looks quite impressive. Good thing is they have full spectrum of weapons and use their own satellites for GPS. At this moment, they have 9 satellites trained on Syria which gives their military real time surveillance of targets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Why would the TU-160s need any escort, I didn't know ISIS/ISIL had fighter aircraft. Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 On the face of it, Russian technology looks quite impressive. Good thing is they have full spectrum of weapons and use their own satellites for GPS. At this moment, they have 9 satellites trained on Syria which gives their military real time surveillance of targets. Is this info accessible on the internet??? Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mfezi Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Why would the TU-160s need any escort, I didn't know ISIS/ISIL had fighter aircraft. They are not just flying over/near Syrian airspace, so ISIS is not the only potential threat. Those aircraft are extremely expensive and pretty much irreplaceable at the moment, I don't think they are going to take any chances. Just out of interest - do US/NATO aircraft ever fly with escorts in the Syrian theatre? Are there any dedicated NATO air-to-air aircraft in theatre? Anything flying with AIM-120's/AIM-9's/MICA's, etc just in case? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Ah, i actually thought that all launches were done from Buyan-M (cool little ships) but one can see atleast one Gepard in the newest video. Apparently "Dagestan" (Gepard) was also used in the previous sea cruise missile launches, again thought it was just Buyan-M's there. From available resources it would appear to be; Gepard class: Dagestan. Buyan-M class: Grad Sviyazhsk, Uglich, and Veliky Ustyug. These being the first three stretched Buyan-M class delivered to the Caspian Flotilla. They are well-stocked for 75 metres and, at just over scale size of 1 metre, would make an excellent 72nd scale model. A nice addition to the Merit `Osa` I would have thought. Cheers, Ian Edited November 21, 2015 by Ian Buick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Just out of interest - do US/NATO aircraft ever fly with escorts in the Syrian theatre? Are there any dedicated NATO air-to-air aircraft in theatre? Anything flying with AIM-120's/AIM-9's/MICA's, etc just in case? Looking at most pics most carry some form of air to air weapons, just in case, along with air to ground ordnance. Here is a official French site and checking the pics you'll see MICAs and Magics being carried: http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/irak/actualites Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Is this info accessible on the internet??? Brad Been reading so much about Russian involvement in Syria that I dont remember where I read it. As soon as I find the link, will share :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Is this info accessible on the internet??? Brad MoD have stated that several times. I think they had 8 originally and now they are increasing the number to 10. Something like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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