oppenheimerj Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Hello again, i am back with a new proyect or it is better to call it CHALLENGE, while i wait for the extra toys for this model (after market stuff), i will tell a brief description of this model: FITTING: POOR and some times disastrous DETAILS: poorly engraved panel lines and rivets are barely visible DECALS: Nice one as always per cartograph, but not will be used on this one So as i said, while waiting for the cool stuff i decided to start working on different parts of the airplane, so i started with the inner wings, the fit is ok but this part of the wings are to simple so i did some riveting on the top and bottom to give them some life The fuselage details need to be engraved all around again , you can see on this picture the difference between the original one (top one) and the already re paneled and re riveted ( bottom one) Also on top of the fuselage i did the same and brings some life to the model OK FIRST BIIIG FITTING PROBLEM, the wing to fuselage union is horrible as you can see in this to pictures I found out if you sand the shaded area with pencil you will get a much better fit and also you will get the correct dihedral angle of the wing after it was sanded here is the fitting now ( i did it on the right side wing to fuselage union) so far this is what i have done, in the next days i will post some more pictures of this work Jorge Edited January 2, 2016 by jorge Oppenheimer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taggor Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It is sure to be another master piece Jorge! Looking forward to following along. -Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Jorge, Talk about a Challenge. This beast will surely test your skills to the limit. I'm most impressed with your scrbing and riveting. The end results are simply amazing. I'll be following along right to completion as the EA-6B, being a Grumman aircraft, is a must build down the road for me. Just one question as your rivet lines are so straight, are you using a riveting wheel run along a metal quide? Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnl42 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Jorge, First and foremost, excellent choice in subject! I've only built one Kinetic kit, an F-16D Block 52+. Sadly, for the very reasons you've started documenting above, it will be my last. This despite the really nice subjects like 1/48 E-2C and S-2. As you've described, I spent some amount of time figuring out how I was going to fix a number of build problems. Sadly for me, I didn't look deep enough into the build to see the full nature of the problem in a couple of instances. My other comment is about the decals. I used Caracal decals for a majority of my build with a few from the Kinetic sheet. The Caracal decals were flawless. The Kinetic refueling door marking decal suffered silvering with its larger clear portions. The no-step outlines were quite delicate...in all fairness that is the nature of those. Best of luck. While this is already fighting you, I'm certain the effort you're demonstrating above in will result in an outstanding build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Jorge, I've had the S-2A Tracker for almost two years, and I still haven't gotten up the "balls" to attempt to build it. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 hahahaha, Joel for sure this will be my first and last Kinetic model, but i want this grumman bird so badly that a have to go through the pain of a bad designed model in the fit sense About the rivets, the ones on the fuselage comes with the model but barely visible so what i am doing is just punching the holes where they supposed and the i use small drill to make them round, the ones on the wings, yes i am using a riveting whell from trumpeter, just draw the lines with a pencil then go over the line with the whell with a steady pulse, at least i still have good pulse Dnl42, i agree with you, at least a got a perfect fitting of the fuselage and wings so far, tomorrow i will post some pictures of it Jorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroman Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The EA-6B and E-2 were among Kinetics first offerings and indeed suffer from fit problems and inconsistent engraved details. More recent Kinetic release though show they have matured and are known to be using different designers now vs. 'back then'. Eager to see their new Sea Harrier FRS.1, their recent Mirage IIIs are very nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Beautiful job! I admire your systematic way of going about this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Metroman, i hope they will improve the molding and design, but one thing for sure i will not try them again, i will finish this one cause i love this airplane as all the grumman design Thanks Crackerjazz i will try my best to turn it into a nice looking model Jorge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jinmmydel Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Jorge, I have no doubt that you can work your magic on this one. I've heard plenty about this kit to know better than to take a stab at it. In fact, I had it once and sold it after seeing all the issues with another build. I admire your determination, and certainly understand your desire to build a Prowler. Seriously cool airplane! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShawnV. Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Very nice detail. Can't wait to see more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Small update, finished all the rivet work on both sides of the fuselage, and after sanding and fitting the wing to the fuselage i got a perfect match on both sides. Next step will be adding some rivets to the outer wings and rescribing all the panel lines Here are some pics of the wing and fuselage glued together Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BJ Blazkowicz Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Nice job on the panel lines and riveting. Re-scribing is something I have not even tried yet. I'll be watching your progress closely, since Prowler is on my must-have model list. Seems like it will be quite a challenge to build it though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Gorgeous work on that beastie....I have it in my stash and an avionix pit as well :D I've put together a few kinetics kits and the newer arent half bad fit wise...the Kfir went together nicely and was fully comparable to the AMK kit of the same subject (I have a comparative build thread out there somewhere) so theybhave improved heaps since the early subjects like the vipers and Prowler....I even hear real praise about their AMX. Just sayin' ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Jorge, Now that's some outstanding modeling to get the inner wings to fit that way. As for the riveting and rescribing, you're a master at it. I still shy away from repairing all but the most prevalent panel lines. And some of those I just leave as is. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 not much of an update, the riveting and re paneling of wings and fuselage is done, while my long wait for the after market stuff to arrive comes to an end, just playing dry fitting pieces in place to see how it looks, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Jorge, The overall fit really looks so much better now that you've worked your magic. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spad Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 This model is already on the way to becoming an amazing model Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wardog Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Looking great so far; I'm sure this will be a challenging build based on people's feedback but I think we all know you have the skills to pull it off successfully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 while waiting for all the goodies, i will have them by mid november, mean while i did the landing gear and i will start with the black primer on several parts of the model Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joel_W Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Jorge, Your detailing, painting, and weathering skills really came through with the landing gear. Just super impressive. The use of not only a black oily wash, but the rust really looks very convincing. As usual your builds are in a class by themselves. I do have one question. On the main landing gear on the right side of the photo, there is a piston which I'm assuming raises and lower the gear, but the shaft that moves inside the housing is painted white rather then being a polished metal alloy. Is it supposed to be that way? Joel Edited October 23, 2015 by Joel_W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Joel, i still have to paint that in silver , but the silver is barely visible as in this picture Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalo Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Jorge, Kinetic should send you a commission check as i went out and purchased this kit because of your work! What did I get myself into? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oppenheimerj Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) jajajajajaja, Gonzalo, dont blame it on me, if you love scribing and riveting to make it look like a nice model, then welcome to the real world, be patient when you put together the wing and fuselage, so far i cant tell you much, one nice thing is the belly piece will come together perfectly with the fuselage Jorge Edited October 24, 2015 by jorge Oppenheimer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalo Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 jajajajajaja, Gonzalo, dont blame it on me, if you love scribing and riveting to make it look like a nice model, then welcome to the real world, be patient when you put together the wing and fuselage, so far i cant tell you much, one nice thing is the belly piece will come together perfectly with the fuselage Jorge I was inspired by your build! Really nice my friend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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