MoFo Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I wouldn't be shocked if the NeOmega seat was 'tweaked' to fit an existing kit. Many aftermarket seats seem to be. Also, this: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=85972 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 I wouldn't be shocked if the NeOmega seat was 'tweaked' to fit an existing kit. Many aftermarket seats seem to be. Also, this: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=85972 I would agree, but compared to the sizes of other available seats, it's in the same ballpark while AMK's seat looks to be much bigger. And as I said, it looks too wide in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Not much is needed in this scale to make proportions turn out wrong. Lets say the seat is one mm to wide and one mm too short, that will make the seat look a lot wider than one that is one mm too narrow and one mm longer. Anyway, your build looks very nice. Nice touch with the maps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 There are proportions of the seat that could make it look “funny”. One has to know that there is an installed electric motor to raise or lower the seat in accordance with the size of the pilot. The headrest and the back of the seat is the fixed part where one of the most important criteria is the eye level of the pilot. This has to be fix for all pilots and so the pan of the seat is raised or lowered. it entails from this that you will see very tall seats and very “short” seats of the same make. This is not only applicable for the K-36 bang seat but to every seat in service even including the very first ejection seats both in the West and in the East. For example even the early seat in the MiG-15 was also adjustable to the size of the pilot, even though here it was not an electric motor but simple mechanical adjustment with just three settings to the height. To cut it short it all depends on what your references are, is it a seat removed from an aircraft with raised or lowered seat pan that you compare the kit offering or the aftermarket. Another question is if a given aftermarket is designed for a particular kit. Of course you will need to have for example a wheel bay interior or a cockpit tab designed for a particular kit but what about a wheel or an ejection seat, a missile pylon, a bomb or a missile itself or for that matter a static discharger or a pitot. In these cases it is very clear that an authentic scale reproduction of the original is what one should go for. I have been asked before “Which kit is a given ejection seat master is designed for?”, I don’t know, the seat was designed by taking measurements from the original and not for a particular kit. I believe this is the way to do it. But everyone have their own opinions. If the cockpit tab is unrealistically narrow or wide then you have a very big problem but not with the ejection seat but with a badly designed kit! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 Gabor, I am aware of the raised/lowered position. There's a nice photo in the Gordon/Komissarov book "Mikoyan MiG-31 Interceptor" where on page 68, you have a photo of both seats out of the aircraft side by side, with pilots seat with lowered headrest, while the RIO/WSO seat with raised headrest... still, even the retracted one still looks narrower than the kit's one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Well... it shouldn't be hard to pull some dimensions from the kit seat, to compare with this: http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/92nd%20Kodiak%20Library/K-36%20Ejection%20Seat/k36d3.JPG One thing that does leap out at me immediately, is that the kit's seat bottom looks to be the same width as the back; on the real seat, it's noticeably narrower. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Well... it shouldn't be hard to pull some dimensions from the kit seat, to compare with this: http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/92nd%20Kodiak%20Library/K-36%20Ejection%20Seat/k36d3.JPG One thing that does leap out at me immediately, is that the kit's seat bottom looks to be the same width as the back; on the real seat, it's noticeably narrower. http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=288943&st=40&p=2772811entry2772811 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 Can you please repost that link, Berk - it won't open for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=288943&st=40&p=2772811entry2772811 Yeah but... my link works. http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/92nd%20Kodiak%20Library/K-36%20Ejection%20Seat/k36d3.JPG (same thing - it's the dimensions pulled from the same document, just without the slow PDF download. And, not down for maintenance ;)) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Can you please repost that link, Berk - it won't open for me Yeah but... my link works. :whistle:/> http://server.3rd-wing.net/public/92nd%20Kodiak%20Library/K-36%20Ejection%20Seat/k36d3.JPG (same thing - it's the dimensions pulled from the same document, just without the slow PDF download. And, not down for maintenance ;)/>) I initially had it as a hyperlink in a text but it didnt want to do that for some reason so i posted it like that. And it opens fine for me when i copy paste it or google it. But yes, that is the same dimensions overview, i was just pointing out i already compared the seat to that and it was within 1mm of two major dimensions. (height and width) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dragan_mig31 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I`ve seen the cockpit in person and I must say that you are doing a great job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 One thing that does leap out at me immediately, is that the kit's seat bottom looks to be the same width as the back; on the real seat, it's noticeably narrower. Went out today to my workshop and had a look again at the seat: the seat bottom/pan (both at it's front and back) just as the back (at the bottom where it meets with the seat pan and at its top where the lift rings are) is all the way exactly the same width down to a fraction of a millimetre! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 Almost painting time! Click on the photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Outstanding! :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Beautiful, simply BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 Thank you Janne and JMan! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 Landing gear done Click on the photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMan Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 FREAKIN BEAUTIFUL!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlexP Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Fantastic work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Gorgeous work! You should build more 1/48th scale stuff seb,it becomes you :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 No he shouldn't! :D Fantastic work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 Thanks guys! Janne - only when my eyes start failing me and if I move into a house or some really big apartment with a dedicated men cave :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marcopreto Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 You're doing a brilliant job! Can't wait to see more (I always jump to your blog as soon as I see any email notification of a new post!)! Cheers Marco Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lyash Igor Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Great build Sebastijan! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) You're doing a brilliant job! Can't wait to see more (I always jump to your blog as soon as I see any email notification of a new post!)! Cheers Marco Thanks Marco! Same thing for your blog ;)/> Great build Sebastijan! :thumbsup:/>/> Spasibo Igor! Edited January 29, 2016 by Sebastijan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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