Benner Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So, I'm relatively quite close to completing my 1:48 Desert Storm collection. One of the planes I have planned still is a Saudi F-5E. Unfortunately, I have no information whatsoever on their combat load out. Any chance someone have a clue? If not, I'll just do a centerline tank, 2 sidewinders, and 4 Mk20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've seen reference to AIM-9L's on the wing tips, GBU10's one each on the outboard and tanks on the inboard pylons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've seen reference to AIM-9L's on the wing tips, GBU10's one each on the outboard and tanks on the inboard pylons. I think AIM-9Ps were more likely for the F-5. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
31Tiger Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So, I'm relatively quite close to completing my 1:48 Desert Storm collection. If all those models are of your high standard , I sure would like to see them all, any chance of a pic of the collection ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ranger626 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I've been searching for the perzak same information and come up empty. I don't understand why there is so little (almost none!) documentation or photos of the extensive Saudi air operations during Desert Storm; especially almost nothing on F-5E ops. So far, for my planned build of a Saudi F-5E I'm thinking of a very bland loadout of 4 Mk 82's. Was hoping to use some AGM-65's, but although their F-5's were capable of Maverick use, I cannot find any indication that they were actually used in operations. Anyone have better info? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benner Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) I've seen reference to AIM-9L's on the wing tips, GBU10's one each on the outboard and tanks on the inboard pylons. The GBU10s would have been for the F-5F I believe. If all those models are of your high standard :worship:/>/> , I sure would like to see them all, any chance of a pic of the collection ? thanks for the compliment, they are definitely not all the same standard though :)/> Except this year, where I have only done 1 DS build, on average I finish 4 per year. So that goes back years since I started this project. You will see a progression of my modeling skill improving. My first DS builds are gear up. I have 41 builds at the moment, some of them I plan to touch up. What's left to build is the F-4G, F-5E, and A-6E. I'll post a pic of each one when I am done my DS building. But here's my favourite (recent) one: Edited December 18, 2015 by Benner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
31Tiger Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Hard to believe its almost 25 years ago when this conflict started. Have been looking in my DS books for the Saudi F-5 but their are only the well known pics. DS pictures were shot old style wet film and the media was controlled. Nowadays just everyone can take good pics with their mobile phone, not in those days...You need to find someone who was there and took pictures for personal use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 AFAIK Mk 20 Rockeyes were employed as well. HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Saudi F-5E with AIM-9P. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Okay, I'll say it. Some guys want a Porsche, others a Lamborghini. Me, I'll always take the F-5E. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
outofbattery Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 The Saudis used F-5Fs to buddy lase for F-5Es. The tip rails will want AIM-9Ps,outboard pylons GBU-10s and inboards drop tanks with the center pylon clean. If you want a different loadout,you can build a Bahraini bird with 6 Mk 82s under the belly with 2 drop tanks on the inboards and a pair of Sidewinders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) F-5Fs to buddy-lase for F-5Es ? How ? Pod ? The only info I have that their Bell 406 Combat Scouts buddy-lased for F-5Fs with two GBU-10s. Also, I have a picture of F-5F with some cabin mounted laser designer - is that it ? AVQ-9 ? Thanks for help. Jakub, the "theoretical" part of Benner-Jakub Gulf war duo :thumbsup:/> Edited January 4, 2016 by JakubJakepilot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benner Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 The Saudis used F-5Fs to buddy lase for F-5Es. The tip rails will want AIM-9Ps,outboard pylons GBU-10s and inboards drop tanks with the center pylon clean. If you want a different loadout,you can build a Bahraini bird with 6 Mk 82s under the belly with 2 drop tanks on the inboards and a pair of Sidewinders. hm, got a source for that info? literature, pics? curious to see. slight correction to the Bahraini loadout, it was 5 Mk82s, the bottom rear of the MER has to be left clear to allow clearance for take off. F-5Fs to buddy-lase for F-5Es ? How ? Pod ? The only info I have that their Bell 406 Combat Scouts buddy-lased for F-5Fs with two GBU-10s. Also, I have a picture of F-5F with some cabin mounted laser designer - is that it ? AVQ-9 ? Thanks for help. Jakub, the "theoretical" part of Benner-Jakub Gulf war duo :thumbsup:/>/> theoretical?? how about be fiancial? :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I haven't seen a load chart for the F-5E but here is one for the F-5A which should be similar: the only place a GBU-10 would fit would be on the c/l pylon since the GBU-10 weighs over 2,000lbs. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 F-5Fs to buddy-lase for F-5Es ? How ? Pod ? The only info I have that their Bell 406 Combat Scouts buddy-lased for F-5Fs with two GBU-10s. Also, I have a picture of F-5F with some cabin mounted laser designer - is that it ? AVQ-9 ? The laser designator was mounted inside the rear cockpit and aimed and operated by the crewman there; that's how it was originally done over Vietnam. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The laser designator was mounted inside the rear cockpit and aimed and operated by the crewman there; that's how it was originally done over Vietnam. Regards, Murph It didn't have a designation since it was never used by the US, but was called LTDS (probably Laser Target Designation System). Somewhere I have a picture of the thing, but I can't find it at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dan Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://www.dstorm.eu/pages/loadout/f-5.html http://www.dstorm.eu/pages/en/saudi/f-5.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torchf4 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 It didn't have a designation since it was never used by the US, but was called LTDS (probably Laser Target Designation System). Somewhere I have a picture of the thing, but I can't find it at the moment. Ya if anyone had this book My link there's a small black and white pic inside showing it mounted on the rear canopy frame of a Taiwan F-5F. The front canopy would usually have a grid box marked on the same side to help the pilot stay within laser constraint while circling the target. I believe it was also used in the early LGB days in Vietnam before the Pave pods came out. Ours lasted till the early 90s before the F-16s and LANTIRN/ Litening took over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 It didn't have a designation since it was never used by the US, but was called LTDS (probably Laser Target Designation System). Somewhere I have a picture of the thing, but I can't find it at the moment. I stand corrected! The second link in Dan's post #17 above identified the unit as the AN/AVQ-27, built by Northrop. Its nomenclature was assigned on 15 March 1976 and from other information I have it was used by several countries who bought F-5Fs. It was definitely a post-Vietnam item. I, too, am skeptical about claims of dropping GBU-10s from F-5s, when the Dash 1 identifies the 750-lb class M117 & BLU-1/-27 as the heaviest stores carried. I know it's listed in the first link in Post #17 and that the old Monogram kit included them, but it seems quite a stretch to me to more than double the previously permitted store weight. BTW, the stores found in Finn's post #14 all use 14" suspension, while the GBU-10 requires 30" suspension. Perhaps they meant the GBU-16 1,000-lb LGB, which does use 14" suspension. Would love to see a picture! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hi, the only two pics of the AVQ-27 system I have are this: So, are they the same system the Saudis had in Gulf on their F-5Fs ? I also found one info that only the centerline pylon is capable of carrying 2000 pound store. Is there any chart of what could be loaded up on which pylon ? Thanks ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Is there any chart of what could be loaded up on which pylon ? Thanks ! The right column of post #14 above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
selwyn Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Saudi F5 in 1992 (just postwar) carried; Mk 82 slick and snakeye GBU 12 AIM9B (usually just for practice firings with TDU 11) and AIM9P MK 84 and GBU 10 AGM 65 cant remember the model, (it had scene scan?) CBU 57/58. LAU 3/A (I worked as a contractor in KSA munitions at the time) Selwyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Great post Selwyn !! Do you remember where the GBU-10s were loaded ? Just centerline ? Thanks ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vesthepes Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Sorry for jackin' this thread, but does anyone know anything about the armament Tunisian AF F-5Fs use nowadays? Do you believe GBU-12 and some CBUs are possible. Thanks in advance... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
selwyn Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Great post Selwyn !! Do you remember where the GBU-10s were loaded ? Just centerline ? Thanks ! Sorry I didn't load them, I just prepared them. I assume it was the centreline they were fitted to! Selwyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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