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Hello everybody,

I was looking at some pictures of F-4Gs and noted that a cool load-out was a mix of an AGM-78 Standard with an AGM-45 Shrike on the inward wing pylons, no outer pylons and an ALQ-131 with 3 Sparrow in the missile bays. To be completed with a centerline F-15 style fueltank.

However, in the early eighties there was a change of Sparrow models going from the F to the M. As far as I could see on the pictures, they look rather the same, but have white an grey body color respectively. As the M came available in 1982 and the Spangdahlem wing was in the front line of cold war, what would the probable conversion timeframe be to the M model. Or maybe they didn't for Phantoms and only for F-15A/C?

Thanks in advance!

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The AIM-7M was progressively introduced fleet wide during the 80's, so it's all down to timeframe you want to model.

Early 80's would have seen the AIM-7F (white body) while during Dessert Storm the F-4G's carried grey with black wings AIM-7M's.

The difference between the -F and the -M is hardly recongnizable on models. Some claim the difference lies in sharpness of the nose cone, but again - modelling this in 1/48 or 1/72 shouldn't cause any issues.

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The AIM-7F were also grey in the 80's:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6437814

the main external difference between the F and M is the M had 4 target detectors near the nose while the F only had 2:

AIM-7F:

http://www.geocities.ws/ryanhothersall/AIM_7M7.jpg

AIM-7M:

http://images.military.com/media/equipment/ordnance/aim-7-sparrow/aim-7-sparrow-007.jpg

This pic shows AIM-7Es loaded, the L on the wings identifies them as Es:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6389430

Jari

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I keep seeing the AIM-7M mentioned on the F-4, but as far as I know the best they carried on the F-4 was the AIM-7F, and that required modifications to happen. I'll have to check with some of the people at work that flew the F-4 and find out what they carried.

Regards,

Murph

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I was wondering if Euro1 Geasels had ever carried 2 AGM-78s at the same time (on inboard pylons)... I'd like to build a F-4G w/2 of these beasts... any help?

I don't think I have ever seen that configuration on a F-4G. I have seen it on Israeli F-4Es though (1982).

Jens

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Alpagueur,

Where did you find the picture/article of the F-4G you posted above?

Gene K

Hi Gene, I've simply googled "F-4G" + "AGM-78" and found this photo:

http://model-scale.com/wp-content/uploads/Scale%20Aircraft%20Modelling%20-%20Vol%2025%20No%2006_files/Scale%20Aircraft%20Modelling%20-%20Vol%2025%20No%2006-138.jpg

cheers.

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Hi,

During early eighties, i'm not sure about the ALQ-131, i think for an ALQ-119 or ALQ-184.

SPang

Early 1980s USAFE Phantoms carried ALQ-131. I saw plenty of them on Ramstein and Spangdahlem jets.

Scott Wilson

526 AMU, 86 TFW

Ramstein AB, W Germany 1983-1986

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Early 80's would have seen the AIM-7F (white body) while during Dessert Storm the F-4G's carried grey with black wings AIM-7M's.

I was at Ramstein AB April 1983 through April 1986. We had AIM-7E-2 Sparrows painted white and AIM-7Fs painted gray. I'm sure Spangdahlem had similar.

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Early 1980s USAFE Phantoms carried ALQ-131. I saw plenty of them on Ramstein and Spangdahlem jets.

Scott Wilson

526 AMU, 86 TFW

Ramstein AB, W Germany 1983-1986

Hi Scott,

I think ALQ-131 arrived later on Wild Weasel F-4.

SPang

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Ill try searching that site for the article.

Here's Stepehen DiNucci's September 2012 article on modeling the F-4G in 1/72 . Covers the OK Fujimi, the excellent Hasegawa, and the ho-hum Italeri(/Testors/Tamiya/Bilek). Reference is made to a Part II of the article, but it appears the site stopped posting after the October 2012 entry ... no Part II that I could find.

Yes, in 1/72 we definitely need a Hasegawa F-4G reissue ... or a new Academy F-4E/G.

Gene K

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