Johnopfor Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Here's a curve ball for you....... TC-68 flew five missions as a bomber, and participated in two attacks, one in which one of her bombs hit the tanker "British Wye", thee fell into the sea without exploding. The second attack was on the British tanker "Hercules", one bomb striking the bow mast without exploding. "Hercules" was later attacked and sunk of the coast of Brazil. Edited February 21, 2016 by Johnopfor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweier Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I am inclined to think it should be limited to multi-engine purpose built bombers. There are lots of choices, and lots of kits in different scales to satisfy the tastes and space constraints of most modelers. This way we can have models ranging in size from 1/72 B-25s all the way through 1/48th B-1s. It can also be as small or as large a commitment as each modeler wants, a quick build of an old Airfix 1/72 kit from the bottom of the stash, or a monogram monster. This. There's a zillion other group builds for Tornado, Eagle and so on. Shane Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) If I remember correctly, many many moons ago there was talk of an ARC "Heavies" GB (I am going back to somewhere in the 2005-2008 time frame). The general consensus way back then was heavy bomber specific aircraft (aircraft with absolutely no lineage to a previously designed fighter or any multirole aircraft like the F/A type modern stuff) and heavy lift transport aircraft (which included helicopters like the Chinook, Skycrane etc). I believe medium bombers were also considered as long as they were designed from the outset as pure bombers. The idea was to get subjects and kits not often seen being built rather then many of the usual subjects/kits. To my knowledge the GB never happened for whatever reason and never made it past the initial discussion. At least not in an official capacity. Too bad really as it would be neat to see some larger bombers and kits being built and displayed. However, under such conditions as those mentioned earlier in this post, the C-130 with bombs on it would cover two criteria...a heavy transport AC AND a bomber...:lol:! Edited February 21, 2016 by Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I have a 1/48th Special Hobby Martin Maryland Mk I that has been begging me to build it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ajd3530 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I have a 1/48th Special Hobby Martin Maryland Mk I that has been begging me to build it. I have that kit as well! Beautiful kit. One day I will be man enough to try to tackle her... Maybe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RKic Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Here's a curve ball for you....... TC-68 flew five missions as a bomber, and participated in two attacks, one in which one of her bombs hit the tanker "British Wye", thee fell into the sea without exploding. The second attack was on the British tanker "Hercules", one bomb striking the bow mast without exploding. "Hercules" was later attacked and sunk of the coast of Brazil. WHOA! Must get Italeri kit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AX 365 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I am inclined to think it should be limited to multi-engine purpose built bombers. There are lots of choices, and lots of kits in different scales to satisfy the tastes and space constraints of most modelers. This way we can have models ranging in size from 1/72 B-25s all the way through 1/48th B-1s. It can also be as small or as large a commitment as each modeler wants, a quick build of an old Airfix 1/72 kit from the bottom of the stash, or a monogram monster. My thinking is along the same lines as Kurt. This. There's a zillion other group builds for Tornado, Eagle and so on. Shane What they said. When I think of heavy bombers, the aircraft that come to mind are Lancaster, B-17, B-24, B-29, B-36, B-47, B-52, B-1, B-2, He-111, FW-200, etc. My $0.05 worth as we no longer use pennies in Canada (also adjusted for inflation and exchange rate!) Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 A couple of years ago, I hosted something similar to this. Only thing was that I included attack aircraft and fighter/bombers as well. I would like to see maybe bombers and cargo aircraft only. The group build that I hosted didn't really turn out that well because of all of the various sub types I allowed. I think it would be better and maybe easier for the hostsvif only one or two types of classes of aircraft were included. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Maybe bombers and transports? Two engines or four? Ground attack aircraft that have limited air to air capabilities? These questions were raised during the discussion on the dropping iron group build that I hosted. I think maybe a "weight limit" should be established to better help what can be allowed as to bombers and transports.only problem I can see with that, though, would be that some modern ground attack aircraft can weigh as much as a ww2 bomber. Thoughts on this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweier Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Maybe bombers and transports? Two engines or four? Ground attack aircraft that have limited air to air capabilities? These questions were raised during the discussion on the dropping iron group build that I hosted. I think maybe a "weight limit" should be established to better help what can be allowed as to bombers and transports.only problem I can see with that, though, would be that some modern ground attack aircraft can weigh as much as a ww2 bomber. Thoughts on this? Gets hellishly awkward for the moderator. He'll spend more time counting the number of angels on the head of a pin, splitting hairs and mixing metaphors than taking part in the build. As soon as you make one exception on a contrived justification they come flooding in with no-one sure at all what qualifies. And as someone (you?) said, the GB can wilt from want of any actual focus. Surely the entire point of a GB is to get people enjoying modelling the same or closely related subjects, no seeing just how far it can be stretched? Shane Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 100% agree. That's the problem I ran into when moderating the dropping iron group build. It was just going to be bombers, but then I started allowing almost everything and started to become a real headache. Attack aircraft, fighter bombers, transports used as bombers, even helicopters were discussed. In the end, I said screw it, any fixed wing aircraft that can drop a bomb. Just to get the group build back on track and make the rules simpler for me to figure out. I think this one should be simple. A heavies group build for me is like the B-17, B-29, B-1b, B-52,ect. And transports like the C-5, C-17, 747 freighter and most four engined passenger aircraft like the A380, A340, 707,ect. Anyways, it's up to the moderator as to what he wants to allow. I'm in regardless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) It looks as though we have a sufficient number of votes to go to the GB board. Bigasshammm , what are the final GB rules? Edited February 23, 2016 by Kurt H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'll put in the request later today. We may have been undercut by a strike GB so idk when this will start. Since there's a strike GB I'll keep it to primarily bomber aircraft. That said I'll still include the F-117, A-6, F-111 and similar aircraft. No missiles though. Preferably we want multi engine earth movers though. If you want to hang bombs from a c-130 I'm for it. That's a big bird that doesn't often get built. K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_superbug Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'll put in the request later today. We may have been undercut by a strike GB so idk when this will start. Since there's a strike GB I'll keep it to primarily bomber aircraft. That said I'll still include the F-117, A-6, F-111 and similar aircraft. No missiles though. Preferably we want multi engine earth movers though. If you want to hang bombs from a c-130 I'm for it. That's a big bird that doesn't often get built. K G'day Kris, I want to publicly apologize if the Strike GB has caused any ill feelings within the group. My feeling was that this one would go hand in hand with each other. regards Brendon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just a suggestion, perhaps ask for this GB to start 3 or 6 months after the similar GB. That way your not directly competing for those who only build one plane every 6 months. This way we get two successful GBs and not 2 with only a couple completed each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rich in name only Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 How 'bout heavy bombers only and what the country of origin designated "heavy" (gets lots of twin-engine in) PLUS other countries' "mediums" that were comparable (e.g. B-25). A-20s, A-26s, Marylands, etc could go to the strike GB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Nah I like including the medium bombers too if they were true bombers. A B-25 doesn't strike me as much of a "strike" aircraft. Submitting proposal. Will leave it up to Phantom and the others to decide when it goes down. K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 G'day Kris, I want to publicly apologize if the Strike GB has caused any ill feelings within the group. My feeling was that this one would go hand in hand with each other. regards Brendon No worries. Maybe they can run simultaneously? Build your bombers here and your strike/support aircraft there? Could be an interesting concept. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nspreitler Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Sounds like fun, if it is late in the year I should be good. I've got a few candidates, B-25, B-26, B-57, SM-79, and a Wellington. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rightwinger26 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm in with the Maryland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Classic 1/48 Monogram/Revell B-24D here. Nothing fancy, mostly OOB except decals (not sure of the markings yet) and some seatbelts and ammo belts. This should be a dandy GB . Don. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 With a recon, Bomber and a strike GB coming up maybe we could squeeze an Interceptor GB in as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I wonder if anyone will enter this HEAVY by HPH models? It only costs about 450 Euros! There are several abandoned air bases in the US and UK with empty hangars. Maybe "they" would be willing to rent one to store this thing? http://www.hphmodels.cz/index.php/en/shop-2/produkty-hph-models/modely-v-meritku-1-48/xb-70-valkyrie-in-scale-1-48-detail Edited February 26, 2016 by yardbird78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Awesome. Still waiting to hear on the schedule. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Awesome. Still waiting to hear on the schedule. I'm still waiting for official word on the Recce Bird GB also. Darwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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