Justicebringer Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Ok Flanker experts I have a question. It may be a stupid question but Im going to ask anyways. Yes Ive searched for this. Does anyone have any photos of a Su-27 Flanker B with a ground attack load or Kh-31 load. Doing a 32nd Su-27 and wanted something different than the missile boat. A Kh-31/dumb bomb load (if feasible) would be awesome but any references would be great. Thanks in advance for the assist. Edited February 23, 2016 by Justicebringer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) the answer is NO AFAIK the Su-27S never carried any of the mentioned weapons. the only air to ground weapons i ever see mounted on the Flanker B, where some rocket pods. (it may have some other things hanging under its wings for static display at airshows...but not in service) Edited February 23, 2016 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justicebringer Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Thanks Ming thats what I needed to know. Dangit lol but still what I needed to know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) btw, the Moskit missile was never used on any Flanker... only put under a Su-33 for static display purpose...because it looks cool i guess... Edited February 24, 2016 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Perhaps the OP mistook the Kh-31 and Kh-41 (air launched variant of the Moskit)? They look similar, but Moskit is a much bigger missile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Su-27 can carry non-guided bombs here's a pic of the UBs dropping some, what appear to be, FAB-250 bombs PLAAF Su-27SK loaded with MERs here's one from airliners.net - http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Sukhoi-Su-27/2168045/L/ If you'd convert your aircraft to SM version - then a KH-31 load would be one of the options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 the only air to ground weapons i ever see mounted on the Flanker B, where some rocket pods. (it may have some other things hanging under its wings for static display at airshows...but not in service) Technically, the Su-27S should be able to carry dumb A2G weapons (rockets and bombs). But, there is this interesting tidbit: "The large size of the Su-27S made it potentially useful as a strike aircraft, able to carry a wide range of munitions -- but strike was a secondary mission for the basic Su-27, and in the late 1980s most or all Su-27S machines were modified in accordance with the "Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE)" arms limitation treaty to eliminate whatever air-to-ground capabilities they had. These "pure air combat" machines were sometimes been referred to under the designation of "T10P" or "Su-27P"." http://www.airvectors.net/avsu27_1.html I wonder if that's true as I was under the impression that the Su-27P was the PVO variant, while the Su-27S was the Frontal Aviation one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justicebringer Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Technically, the Su-27S should be able to carry dumb A2G weapons (rockets and bombs). But, there is this interesting tidbit: "The large size of the Su-27S made it potentially useful as a strike aircraft, able to carry a wide range of munitions -- but strike was a secondary mission for the basic Su-27, and in the late 1980s most or all Su-27S machines were modified in accordance with the "Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE)" arms limitation treaty to eliminate whatever air-to-ground capabilities they had. These "pure air combat" machines were sometimes been referred to under the designation of "T10P" or "Su-27P"." http://www.airvectors.net/avsu27_1.html I wonder if that's true as I was under the impression that the Su-27P was the PVO variant, while the Su-27S was the Frontal Aviation one. Ive decided to go with a Ukranian build so Ill just use the air to air missiles. I misspoke with the Moskit, yes I meant the Kh-31 not the full size Moskit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pep Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I'm pretty sure I have seen pictures of Ukrainian 2 seater with LGBs and a targeting pod. I think Airpower magazine? I belive the Targeting pod was Israeli. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shorty84 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) I'm pretty sure I have seen pictures of Ukrainian 2 seater with LGBs and a targeting pod. I think you've seen Kazakh machines. The Ukrainian machines are standard Su-27UB. Kazakhstans double seaters were upgraded in Belarus at the 558th Aircraft Repair Plant to Su-27UBM2 standard. Now they can carry most guided bombs and missiles available in the Russian inventory. They use the Rafael LITENING III targeting pod (see here). Edited February 24, 2016 by Shorty84 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justicebringer Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 See this is why I posted, look at all this collective knowledge. Anyone have any photos of Ukranian single seaters with any type of dumb bomb? If not, no worries, AAMs it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pep Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I think you've seen Kazakh machines. The Ukrainian machines are standard Su-27UB. Kazakhstans double seaters were upgraded in Belarus at the 558th Aircraft Repair Plant to Su-27UBM2 standard. Now they can carry most guided bombs and missiles available in the Russian inventory. They use the Rafael LITENING III targeting pod (see here). That must have been it! Thanks for the correction! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jinxter13 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) Su-27 can carry non-guided bombs PLAAF Su-27SK loaded with MERs Holy Schnikes...that's a lotta bad news for somebody poundin da ground...one thing about dumb bombs they can't be fooled they're goin where they're dropped; just hope you ain't there. Edited February 24, 2016 by #1 Greywolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 How about some rocket pods: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Platycqb Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 That's a Su-27SM if I am correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 That's a Su-27SM if I am correct. You are...... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justicebringer Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 One more noobish question. Can anyone point me in the direction of photos of Ukranian Blue 08. A walk around would be awesome but that's a lot to ask. Thanks guys Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 The Polish "TopShots 43" book by Krzysztof Barcz from Kagero publisher is predominantly dealing with 08. It is a very nice walk around book from 2006. Have no idea if it is available anywhere now, got the example few years ago. It was very inexpensive, 42 pages in full colour on quality paper and hundreds of photos, around 96% of them about 08 in splinter camo. Remember that 08 had the early sting tail version! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shorty84 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Here are some photos which hopefully help you. Here in its early scheme (dielectric fairings green): http://spotters.net.ua/search/?cn=36911013605 And here later in its life (dielectric fairings white): http://www.airfighters.com/photosearch.php?con=36911013605 http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=%3D%22sukhoi+su-27%22&airlinesearch=ukraine+-+air+force&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&keywords=08&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&daterange=&range=&thumbnails=&engine_version=6.0 As Gabor said, be aware that your machine is an early series Flanker and has the early tail stinger. Fortunately, Zactomodels does one in 1/32 (link). Markus Edited February 25, 2016 by Shorty84 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Justicebringer Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) The Polish "TopShots 43" book by Krzysztof Barcz from Kagero publisher is predominantly dealing with 08. It is a very nice walk around book from 2006. Have no idea if it is available anywhere now, got the example few years ago. It was very inexpensive, 42 pages in full colour on quality paper and hundreds of photos, around 96% of them about 08 in splinter camo. Remember that 08 had the early sting tail version! Best regards Gabor Here are some photos which hopefully help you. Here in its early scheme (dielectric fairings green): http://spotters.net.ua/search/?cn=36911013605 And here later in its life (dielectric fairings white): http://www.airfighters.com/photosearch.php?con=36911013605 http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=%3D%22sukhoi+su-27%22&airlinesearch=ukraine+-+air+force&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&keywords=08&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page_limit=15&daterange=&range=&thumbnails=&engine_version=6.0 As Gabor said, be aware that your machine is an early series Flanker and has the early tail stinger. Fortunately, Zactomodels does one in 1/32 (link). Markus Very cool. Thanks for the leads guys. Yeah Im going to order the Early stinger from Zacto. Awesome find on those photos Markus. The later photos with the white has overspray which will be a nice touch. I just found the full walkaround for Blue 08 in the Zactomodel forum. 330 pics! Edited February 26, 2016 by Justicebringer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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