habu2 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Thinkabout loadout, who would waste the resource on an air to ground mission, it has no radar and thus can only carry an IR missile, do you need the missile? it will only add drag, 50,000 feet and mach 1.9 make speed physics and geometry your best defense, along with F-15 escorts, thats my theory. Exactly. Remember, these jets were essentially their version of the SR-71, high speed, high altitude, recon only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iaf-man Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Exactly. Remember, these jets were essentially their version of the SR-71, high speed, high altitude, recon only. But IAF never adopted US recon slogan of "alone and unarmed"))))))) Isaac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Here's a link to an Israeli forum with one of the RF-4ES refuelling, carrying a Winder and wing tanks http://www.fresh.co....%F9%E1%EC%E5%EC Post #66 Maybe it's from Isra or Airdoc books Another post http://www.fresh.co....highlight=RF-4E The discussion there about squadrons' kills Here's one built,no weapons http://content.degem...l.php?galid=358 Isaac your last link, showing a build of the RF-4ES. i think that this was the EagleDesign resin bits that where used for the conversion. the "nose" area shows a too much pronounced down curve. giving the front area a bad "droop"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iaf-man Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) your last link, showing a build of the RF-4ES. i think that this was the EagleDesign resin bits that where used for the conversion. the "nose" area shows a too much pronounced down curve. giving the front area a bad "droop"... Yes,I've seen that too It's the Airdoc conv.set,which is considered the best,there are 2 builds with it at that forum,the build photos are long gone unfortunately Edited March 28, 2016 by iaf-man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 what is this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 That would be a QRC-490 chaff dispenser pod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tobiK Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 That would be a QRC-490 chaff dispenser pod. Right! But still missing as a resin AM part. I already asked Andreas Klein and Ra'anan Weiss about it and suggested them to make one...let's hope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Yes,I've seen that too It's the Airdoc conv.set,which is considered the best,there are 2 builds with it at that forum,the build photos are long gone unfortunately could that be lens distortion making it look drooped where it is not? the AirDoc nose does not seem to droop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 That would be a QRC-490 chaff dispenser pod. thanks sir. any photo of the real thing? where could I find? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iaf-man Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 thanks sir. any photo of the real thing? where could I find? I've found only this picture in a book: https://books.google.co.il/books?id=4DqU1ckzg9cC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=QRC-490+chaff+dispenser+pod&source=bl&ots=hyJlpde2FY&sig=VhxPvMVcGDUAHv_e6LmZCyZVpcI&hl=iw&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc_5HA_OXLAhUhb5oKHQtmAWMQ6AEIKzAC#v=onepage&q=QRC-490%20chaff%20dispenser%20pod&f=false Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael A. Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Excellent research guys, keep up the good work! Michel A. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iaf-man Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 could that be lens distortion making it look drooped where it is not? the AirDoc nose does not seem to droop Do you have similar build? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkKnight Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Do you have similar build? no only the nose conversion part, that looks pretty straight to me, I plan on building F-4E(S) and F-4 Kurnass 2000 in the future using 1/48 Hasegawa Phantoms and cutting edge decals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) from the angle down of the air conditioning system intakes, i can tell that the resin bit was positionnel slightly too much downward. Edited March 30, 2016 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) also, something interesting, on the 492 bird, there is a syrian kill roundel (portside), and on bird496, there is an Iraqi kill marking. would a recon aircraft wear kill marking for specific mission? ...or did they ever got a real kill... in their previous life, when they where F-4E in the IDF/AF ?? Edited March 30, 2016 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sentry30 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 498 (previously 146 / 490) got a maneuvering kill against a Irak Mig-21 on 22Mar82 (also documented as 03Jan82!?). 492 (ex 163) did a Mig on 21Oct73. 499 (ex 167? / 493) Can't find any records on this one, have to dig some deeper in my database.. Not really sure though this actually was 167... Daniel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TomCooper Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 498 (previously 146 / 490) got a maneuvering kill against a Irak Mig-21 on 22Mar82 (also documented as 03Jan82!?).AFAIK, this claim was issued during a mission flown over Western Iraq on 4 January 1981. According to Israeli sources, Iraqi MiG-21 was scrambled to intercept, and then run out of fuel while chasing the F-4E(S). 'Problem': that claim is based on intercepted Iraqi radio emissions. The Iraqi pilot was critically short on fuel, and he declared emergency - but landed safely. (Source: IrAF pilot that flew that mission.) BTW, according to same source, that was second Israeli recce mission over Iraq: the first was flown in September 1980, by a Firebee UAV - that was shot down by SA-6s south-east of Baghdad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iaf-man Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) also, something interesting, on the 492 bird, there is a syrian kill roundel (portside), and on bird496, there is an Iraqi kill marking. would a recon aircraft wear kill marking for specific mission? ...or did they ever got a real kill... in their previous life, when they where F-4E in the IDF/AF ?? Actually there was never 496(there was-but a regular RF).As you can see-it's a sticker,and the planes never operated with Orange tails.It was done at the museum for some sqn's selebration,the actual # is 498 Look at the first 8 pics at my wa-that's the original.Taken at 2004,have later ones from 2006- there's the orange change http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/isaac_gershman/f-4es_498/ Both 498 and 492 shared a "kill" of an Iraqi Mig-21,mentioned above(Daniel-there's no material about 492 Mig at '73. That's the story,can read a translation of Airdoc article here, the back to English translation is bad enough,can see a quote about typical loadout http://www.sky-high.co.il/134771/%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C Isaac Edited March 30, 2016 by iaf-man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 and this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Pave Spike laser designator pod. Only used on their regular F-4E's. You can find them in the Hasegawa weapon sets in both 1/72 and 1/48, Isracast did one in 1/32. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Pave Spike laser designator pod. Only used on their regular F-4E's. You can find them in the Hasegawa weapon sets in both 1/72 and 1/48, Isracast did one in 1/32. where could I find the Isracast item? thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ReccePhreak Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) . Edited June 19, 2016 by ReccePhreak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpagueur Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Let me Google that for you. <_</>/>/>/> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Isracast+1%2F32+Pave+Spike just googled myself preventively sir, but it seems OOP for a long time... I meant to say which store has it in stock... Edited March 31, 2016 by Alpagueur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-32-GT-Resin-AN-AVQ-23-Pave-Spike-POD-Set-for-F-4D-E-Phantom-Jets-/391185141095 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ReccePhreak Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) . Edited June 19, 2016 by ReccePhreak Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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