ByronLeal Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Hi! I would like to know if the Mirage IIIB did ever use the Air Defense Blue scheme? like the 02/010 Siene squadron in 1978? Thanks for the info. Byron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I'm pretty sure EC 2/10 probably had a couple of two seaters on strength at that point. It would be rare for a frontline single seat fighter squadron not to have a couple of "busses" for recurrent training purposes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Antoine Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 That's interesting. I can't remember to have seen one, most of them being left in metal, or with two-tone camouflage. But at the same time, absence of proof is not proof of the absence... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) There seem to be photographs of at least one preserved example that wore these colors in early 1990s. It does not seem to be repainted at the time, so this could the last scheme it wore while it was in service. Edited March 12, 2016 by KursadA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soulfreak Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 As far as I know, only Brazil had the 2 seat Mirages in blue.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 the Mirage on the photo seems to have a Mirage IV pitot/IFR probe. is it possible? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 the Mirage on the photo seems to have a Mirage IV pitot/IFR probe. is it possible? I've seen IIIBs mount that probe in other imagery. I believe it was mounted as a training aid for units that flew aircraft capable of IFR (such as Mirage IVs). The probe as I recall was not capable of taking on fuel, but it was still capable of hooking up, making it excellent practice for pilots needing to get proficient. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I've seen IIIBs mount that probe in other imagery. I believe it was mounted as a training aid for units that flew aircraft capable of IFR (such as Mirage IVs). The probe as I recall was not capable of taking on fuel, but it was still capable of hooking up, making it excellent practice for pilots needing to get proficient. Yes. It was called the Mirage IIIB2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Thank you guys ...learning new stuff everyday! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Antoine Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I've seen IIIBs mount that probe in other imagery. I believe it was mounted as a training aid for units that flew aircraft capable of IFR (such as Mirage IVs). The probe as I recall was not capable of taking on fuel, but it was still capable of hooking up, making it excellent practice for pilots needing to get proficient. Indeed! In fact, it was specific to Mirage IV pilots IFR training. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soulfreak Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Maybe a bit off topic, but anyone got good 3 views etc from the Mirage III 2 seaters? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Indeed! In fact, it was specific to Mirage IV pilots IFR training. glad my eyes did recognize what was indeed a Mirage IV IFR probe. (thanks to my hours of shopping on webstores for metal pitots...) is there any other aircraft that have such IFR probe mounted on the tip of the nose cone? (not just french ones) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 glad my eyes did recognize what was indeed a Mirage IV IFR probe. (thanks to my hours of shopping on webstores for metal pitots...) is there any other aircraft that have such IFR probe mounted on the tip of the nose cone? (not just french ones) Not that I am really aware of unless they are specific for training purposes. Since the nose of a fighter is packed so tight with other equipment, even if it doesn't have a radar up front, it might have a small range finding radar or something else dedicated to weaponry sighting. Nose areas are also typically packed with radios and other avionics boxes (F-5 being a prime example) and they put that stuff there for weight and balance due to the heavy engines in back. Sticking in plumbing for IFR use removes space and if you have a leak in the system or knock the tip off (as what happened to one of the Black Buck Vulcans)... could be messy. So from what I have seen, IFR probes tend to be placed somewhat far from electronics boxes, or are stashed in their own dedicated cubby holes if they are retractable. The closest I have seen to a dedicated IFR nose mount in the center is what the A-37 Dragonfly has. But even then it is something bolted externally on top of the standard A-37/T-37 nose and not integral with it. This is partly because some A-37 operators had no need for the probe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 thank you Jay for your comprehensive explanations. that pretty much answer all aspects of my question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Cessna A-37s have the IFR probe on the nose centerline, but plumbed above the nose. Some of the Russian bombers also had IFR probes mounted at or above the nose tip. Vickers Vulcan also comes to mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin Turtle Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 The first Grumman F11F Tigers had the refueling probe on the tip of the nose. The ranging-radar antenna was located in the upper side of the nose. See http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2010/11/f11f-tiger.html Grumman F9F Cougars were also retrofitted with a refueling probe on the tip of the nose: http://www.john2031.com/grumman/f9f_cougar/141140-aj6.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barkin mad Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Two seat Jaguar also, but not RAF one's & it's Avro Vulcan, not Vickers. --------------- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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