skuki Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Hello there, here are some progress pictures of the Kinetic Su-33 kit. I've tried to fit the Aires cockpit inside, because I wasn't satisifed with the instrument panel, with its position to be exact - it is far to deep inside the pit. It's not something that bothered me that much - but since I had aires cockpit I decided to use it. But oh man, a far far more work was required than I anticipated. But when I made the cut - there was no turning back. Would I do it again? Hell NO, loud and clear. Here are picutures and tnx for watching! Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Grandboof Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Looks like your effort was worthwhile Well done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NavyF4s Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Great looking cockpit. Nice subject too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
polybebber Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Stunning cockpit :thumbsup: Lothar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I'm considering doing the exact same thing, great seeing how you went about it :D Ithink it looks astonishingly good and well worth the extra hours of work so I might go with it when its time. The Aires pit is absolutely gorgeous! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicholassagan Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Wow that's a bit of work. Nicely done. The added wires, etc make a big difference in 48. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 The job truly paid off. The pit looks great! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lyash Igor Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Nice cockpit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Hi there, Ive noticed that the rear part of the Kinetic kit is a bit wrong. The Su-33 has different area behind the seat, mostly due to the different ejections system that in Su-27. That said, the bulge (in the red circle) is further away from the seat than in Su-27, and it has different shape. The Kinetic did quite OK with the distance form the seat, but the shape is of the Su-27, not Su-33. One more thing - Su-33 does not have those circles like Su-27 does. The whole part is different. I made a mistake because I was starting from the wrong presuption - that Su-27 and Su-33 are the same in this area, but they aren't. So everything I did in this areas is correct - for Su-27 :wacko:/>/> So, I've decided to change it, mostly because I've spent a lot of time on cockpit itself so I can't just overlook those new conclusions. Here are the pictures: Edited March 15, 2016 by skuki Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manuel J. Armas S. Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Nice... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zark Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Well...shuki your "work" is going to be a "Copy/Paste" on my model...I am watching you!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Great work Skuki - it's looking great. Can I point out one small detail often missed in the larger scale models of Flankers...... All of the single seaters have a corded bit of rope-like connection between the top of the seat head box and the rear of the canopy frame - a bit like a bungee chord. I understand that this arms the seat firing mechanism as the canopy is jettisoned. You can just make out the connector in your first photo - just above the demister tube. You can see it better in this photo of me in a Su-27.... in the top left hand corner. Fitting it is a nightmare - trying to connect it with the canopy in the way - but as you are going into such detail, I thought it ought to be included. Happy Flankering. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EagleAviation Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Fantastic cockpit work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Is that a real working cockpit? :) Beautiful job! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Thanks all! I will be posting new pic soon. Hi Ken, tnx for the tip, I really didn't know that and it seems that this detail is quite noticable, so I'll include the bungee cord when I get to that phase. Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The area behind the cockpit has little to do with the ejection seat. It is a simple construction principle change from the days when the "stamped-in" circular “reinforcements” were added to this area in comparison to todays (or when the Su-33 were made) practice where a simple flat panel was/is used on which the canopy locks are situated. It is not only on the Su-33 that you will find this but also on new produced versions, for instance the Su-35 fighters. The Su-27 ejection seat rail support was very different from that of the Su-33 or even the new fighters. In the old days they had a big box like structure to which the rails were attached at the front end. At the back there were two small frame supports "holding" the box like structure. None of the kits reproduce this correctly! Not even the Aires cockpit which gives it as a very flat rectagle in cross section. On the Su-33 the box structure was deleted and only a slim frame was used to hold the seat rails. Two supports were added in the back which due to the smaller size frame are far longer and more noticable. This is what you see on the above photos. I believe in case of the Su-35 the rail is different for the very simple reason that the incline of the seat is different for better high G comfort of the pilot. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Gabor, I can't remember if you have already explained the 'bungee' cord ?? If so, I have forgotten - can you confirm that it is part of the seat arming mechanism ??? Cheers Ken PS - Are you visiting Russia this year ?? Last chance to see Monino ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Gabor, I can't remember if you have already explained the 'bungee' cord ?? If so, I have forgotten - can you confirm that it is part of the seat arming mechanism ??? Cheers Ken PS - Are you visiting Russia this year ?? Last chance to see Monino ?? Hi Ken, Yes I did explain about the cord earlier. I have a look where it is and copy it here. Moscow/Russia is a NO GO area now! There is absolutely no chance of a visit to Russia, the political relations deteriorated so much!!! :( :( :( Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Gabor, tnx for explanation. I've noticed that the rails are compleetly diferent, so I've decided to change it. However, I am missing close pictuires of the rails, so if anyone can share I would be grateful Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Hi Ken, The K-36 DM is (was) not designed to eject through the canopy which is 9mm thick plexi glass. Only some of the new versions of the seat have the ability to brake canopy and go through the canopy depending on the type of aircraft it is fitted to. The seat in Su-27 and most of the sub types is the earlier design so it will fire only after the canopy is jettisoned. The safety line you see attached to the right hand side of the headrest (and the canopy at the other end) is the one which arms the seat. Here on the Su-27/33 the line links directly to the canopy behind it. If I remember right on the MiG-29 the line goes all the way to the other side and here it is hidden under a textile (earlier artificial leather) cover. The arming line is never reproduced on kits just as the Remove Before Flight safety pin line and warning notice. They are always fitted to live seats in aircraft prepared for flight or on static! Of course this is true of ALL ejection seats no matter if in a Western or Eastern type of aircraft!!!!!!!!!!! Hope this is of help. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skuki Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 OMG Tnx helps a lot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Thanks Vladimir, Yes, this is the line (the white "thing") which extracts a pin and arms the ejection seat when the canopy is jettisoned. I only have photos of it as on the K-36DM used in MiG-29's. Of the Su-27 I only had black and white photos from a detailed "look around" that I took on a visit to Kusovskaja base (down in South of Russia) back in 1993. Simply run out of colour negative by the time we got around the Su-27 cockpit and in the other camera had Kodakchrome 64 slide which was useless in the low light in the late evening. While it is useless by todays standard the B/W came in handy for making my master of the Su-27 cockpit in 72nd. The Nazar photo also nicesely shows the "plain" area behind the seat! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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