Ricardo Salamé Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_jR39KD19FM/VvWb4YwYliI/AAAAAAAAF_s/o2iaBhaQ8rYOqXuFzqgJPu-OnXQGC_Csw/w863-h486-no/20160325_113107%255B1%255D.jpgHello guys; A lot ofpeople ask me questions about my LM 11 "Orion" since the Heritagecon x. I willtry to answer it. I was planning to post a review after I finish it because isnot ready. Its missing the figures, the LRV, the ASLEP and some of the trashafter unpacking the MESA. I will upload betterpictures. Here youhave a few pictures in its temporary base. I base myLunar Module in several works produced by excellent Modellers LM 5 byDavid Weeks http://www.ninfinger.org/models/html_pix/lm.html LM 6 John Sims I can't find the link to the pictures LM7 Glenn Johnson http://www.ninfinger.org/models/html_pix/ap13cslm.html LM 10 Glenn Johnson http://www.ninfinger.org/models/html_pix/ap15lm.html LM 12 Karl D. Dodenhoff http://www.ninfinger.org/models/ipms1997/97nats14.html Then came VincentMeens http://spacemodels.n...EM-24/index.htm and Pete Malgete http://www.ninfinger.org/models/html_pix/pmcutawaylm.htmland raise the bar with their work that all of you see in this forum. Once thing thatI learn for Mike Mackowski and David Weeks, is that you must do your work ofresearch when you prepare to make your model. An once that you think that youfinish, you must do more, because always is something missing. And sometimeswhen you finish the missing link will surface https://lh3.googleus...%255B1%255D.jpg https://lh3.googleus...%255B1%255D.jpg But in thisdays everything is more easy. The internet had the power of get the info, if youare willing to look for it. Historicalinformation for Apollo https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html Eric Jones uncover the Apollo era in thisliving document http://www.retroweb.com/apollo.html Kipp Teague bring the images. ModellingReference http://www.ninfinger.org/models/models.html Sven Knudson place is the Bible for the models, everything and I mean everythingis in this web site. http://www.spaceinminiature.com/ Mike Mackowski hasgreat reference an clear all the obscure points of the real space modeling. SIM7 - Apollo Lunar Module is the one that you would like to use for a projectlike this. http://www.matirvine.com/ if you really wantto know about modeling techniques buy Matt Irvine Space Spacecraft Modeling itwill give you great tips. I will recommend toany real space modeler's to enter in the Yahoo group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/space-modelers/infoover there you can chat with the most resourceful group of people , if you don'tfind something someone over there will help you. Made your own referencewith pictures drawings etc. Edited March 25, 2016 by Ricardo Salamé Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ret Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 This is great stuff Ricardo - excellent info - will certainly use when I get to working on my Monogram LM. Your's certainly set the standard! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ret Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I'm sure you guys have seen this - but still worth a post: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums Contains almost the whole archive of Apollo images - although they are unenhanced - just raw scans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 The Mylar: I use severalcombinations of materials for the external insulation of the decent stage.Aluminium foil, Mylar and Mylar tape. The trick with them is to find the onethat match the mission that you select to model. In generally all the LM looksa like, but everyone has it charm. To match the colours is a little tricky butnot impossible. Mylar is the best option but you have to shop around forseveral brands to achieve different colours tones. If the colour of the Mylar don’tmatch, use the Tamiya or Gunze clears. Orange, Yellow and Red. Airbrush them inaluminium foil let it dry two days and the apply it to the craft. Use thinlayers of the product until you achieve the desire tone. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fW8nf_Fcd0c/VvWaltE6qaI/AAAAAAAAF-s/43UpI4Vq0zo-dOw-W1anXsdAiTeap0kbA/w863-h486-no/20160325_015138%255B1%255D.jpg https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RicardoSalam%C3%A9P%C3%A1ez/posts/7bKhaiyXJCD?pid=6266084590448032322&oid=114205993468295491689 https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RicardoSalam%C3%A9P%C3%A1ez/posts/7bKhaiyXJCD?pid=6266085054375417362&oid=114205993468295491689 https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RicardoSalam%C3%A9P%C3%A1ez/posts/7bKhaiyXJCD?pid=6266085290273085234&oid=114205993468295491689 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) The LM colours In the darkdays everybody said the LM was silver, only Karl and myself fight against untilMike set it strait and castes in stone in his SIM 7 Book. For my LM's I use theflowing greys Gloss Gull Gray FS 16440 and Light Ghost Gary, I combine them witha match of Pale Green FS 34227. I am not being able to match a pantone card againstthe LM 9 in the Kennedy Space Canter. So I have to really in photos. Ascent StageColors and simulating the panelling I use differenttypes of hard tin foil to cover the LM Ascent Stage. First I remove al unnecessarypanelling live the skeleton and cover the LM pane by panel For colourinformation go to Sven site and look for this document Coatingsand Finishes for LM-10 through LM-14 http://www.ninfinger.org/models/lmspec/lsp-14-0027a_1.htmlor got to Lunar Module Coatings Page by PaulFjeld http://home.earthlink.net/~pfjeld/lmdata/ I use differenttypes of hard tin foil to cover the LM Ascent Stage. First I remove all unnecessarypanelling live the skeleton and cover the LM pane by panel. This technique isnot my, I followed David Weeks lead on this area https://plus.google....993468295491689 https://plus.google....993468295491689 The LM 11 suffera failure in some of the areas of the central Ascent Stage this is recollected in the ALSJ and astronaut CharlieDuke document this in the following image http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18331HR.jpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18332HR.jpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18336HR.jpg I replicated the failure in anomaly in themodel Edited March 27, 2016 by Ricardo Salamé Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ret Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 This is excellent - thanks so much for sharing - very useful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 I'm sure you guys have seen this - but still worth a post: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums Contains almost the whole archive of Apollo images - although they are unenhanced - just raw scans. Thanks Bob.recently Kipp put more files in Flickr. I Follow him over there Thanks Ricardo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Good stuff, Ricardo, thanks! I couldn't help ordering some space blanket from KSC. It looked really beautiful as scale Kapton on your LEM. What color did you use for the black panels? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Hello Crackerjaz: I took a paper sheet and airbrush it with flatblack. After it dry I apply humbrol mate cote. In the real LM this material was Inconel #600 foil painted is Pyromark Black. The paint was baked, the small flaws were sprayed black, leavingdark blotches. See the pictures of LM 11in the Grumman plant http://home.earthlink.net/~pfjeld/lmdata/lm11ds.jpg The best material that I use in my previous LM's were the black envelop that came with the Kodark and Ilford photolab paper, but that material is not available any more to me. My old days in my amater photo lab are over, long time ago in a far and far away country. My lab was replace by Lightroom and Photoshopand, my albums are in Flicrk https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricardo_salame_paez/albums or Facebook. Keep talking in the cyberspace Ricardo Good stuff, Ricardo, thanks! I couldn't help ordering some space blanket from KSC. It looked really beautiful as scale Kapton on your LEM. What color did you use for the black panels? Edited March 27, 2016 by Ricardo Salamé Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K2Pete Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Its missing the figures, the LRV, the ALSEP and some of the trash after unpacking the MESA. Ricardo for your LRV, what will you be using to build it in 1/48? Will it be 3D or scratch built? ... or is there a 1/48 kit out there? Thanx! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bubble Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Vincent meens has almost complete designs the 3d printing version of the LRV apollo 15 / 16 and 17 and differnt scale,s , i do a apollo 15 , 1/6 50 % scratch 50 3D parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Pete: The only kit that I am aware of an LRV in 1/48 is the Marco Miniature. http://www.ninfinger.org/models/marcos/rover.htmlI have it and it's really not a great kit. For this scale there are not many options, personally I think that 3D printing, it's not there yet for scales under 1/32. There is a little uneven on the surface of the pieces that I don't like.It require a lot of sanding, and the kits became very expensive with actual printing prices I just wish that Vince work http://www.ninfinger.org/models/marcos/rover.htmlwork could be used for 1/48. So the way to go is the old fashion scratch build.For me the challenges and been the Wheels and the suspensions. Keep talking in the cyberspace Ricardo Ricardo for your LRV, what will you be using to builjd it in 1/48? Will it be 3D or scratch built? ... or is there a 1/48 kit out there? Thanx! Edited March 28, 2016 by Ricardo Salamé Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 Pascal: Your work is impressive, one of a kind. I follow your work in the Space collect forum Ricardo Vincent meens has almost complete designs the 3d printing version of the LRV apollo 15 / 16 and 17 and differnt scale,s , i do a apollo 15 , 1/6 50 % scratch 50 3D parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Pascal, that's killer stuff! And those mesh tyres --incredible! :thumbsup: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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K2Pete Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I couldn't get to TorCan and would have loved to have seen this Ricardo. The scratch built interior is ... WOW!! The exterior is excellent too! The RTG, the broken S-band antenna ... the details are terrific! I hope to attend either London or Ajax and would love to see your stuff there too! And I'm not on Facebook ... so I'll just suffer ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 Pete: I don't think that I will go to London show but I am planning t go to Ajax with my LM-3 Spider Keep talking in the cyberspace Ricardo I couldn't get to TorCan and would have loved to have seen this Ricardo. The scratch built interior is ... WOW!! The exterior is excellent too! The RTG, the broken S-band antenna ... the details are terrific! I hope to attend either London or Ajax and would love to see your stuff there too! And I'm not on Facebook ... so I'll just suffer ... :crying2:/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedIndian Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) Ricardo! That is a wonderful model of Orion. So you built it mostly by scratch, going by all the great references you listed above? This is 1:48 scale, right? Really, it looks fantastic! Thanks for sharing the pictures and the valuable info. I am sitting on the fence to finally start building Challenger (Haven't decided yet in which scale). Best wishes! Edited June 8, 2016 by RedIndian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Salamé Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 Thanks Red Indian you can find more pictures of the model in here http://www.ninfinger.org/models/html_pix/rsporion.html and a little text in this linkhttp://www.ninfinger.org/models/LM-11/LunarModuleOrion.html Ricardo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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