Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Been on a nostalgic kick lately and have been building an F-102 of the Vermont ANG, the plane that was patrolling the skies above the town I was born in and that my dad used to photograph from time to time. So, I've realized I've got the gorgeous tail chevron with the ANG badge at slightly the wrong angle. Made the mistake of thinking the Minuteman in the badge should be standing straight up 90 degrees, but now, too late I study the bottom edge of the chevron and find it's noticeably pointed too far down at the front. So what would YOU do? Is it bad enough to warrant buying a new sheet (Wolfpak decals) or is it close enough that you might accept the penalty? ...or, better yet...anyone have the Wolfpak sheet and not going to use the Vermont tail chevrons? :)/> Edited April 9, 2016 by Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Sorry...added a photo of the real deal for comparison.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darius at home Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Doesn't look that bad to me. I'd leave is as is - unless it is bugging you to the point of distraction. Darius Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Thanks Darius! Yes, it is bugging me; been staring at it for a couple of days wondering what to do, hence my post...but perhaps I can be persuaded by public opinion if it turns out to be much like yours.... See though, compare the bottom edge of the chevron with the top "line" of the serial numbers below it in both photos.... Edited April 9, 2016 by Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
farmerboy Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I would leave it be :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 We're our worst critics. I would never have noticed it even after seeing the real one. I'm sure I would leave it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yvesff Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Andrew, Where did you buy the Wolfpak decals, I tried Lucky and Sprue Bros. and they did not stock them. If I could easily get a replacement I would change it. This aircraft means something to you, it deserves your best efffort ! I grew up, and still live, just 25 miles north of the border close to Burlington, by the time I went to airshows, the F-102s were long gone... They have an airshow this year over Lake Champlain, hope we get a sneak peak at their future resident, F-35 ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AV O Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) If this really worries you, take your sharpest blade and cut around the circle. Then spin the arrow and adjust it how you please using the stars and words as reference. The decal might have been made from these profiles (8th & 10th down) : http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/799/3/5 Edited April 9, 2016 by AV O Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bdt13 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I would leave it. Just make sure the one on the other side goes on at the same angle. Is that possible, given the angle between the minuteman and the chevron? Otherwise you may need to cut to get this effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 If that already bothers you, I suppose I shouldn't tell you about the turbine warning stripe, should I? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 If that already bothers you, I suppose I shouldn't tell you about the turbine warning stripe, should I? :whistle:/> Oh, @#$%.... Okay, go ahead and tell me; at least I have some replacements for THAT simple fix :lol: Never built a Convair Delta in my life, nor did I ever think I would.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 I would leave it. Just make sure the one on the other side goes on at the same angle. Is that possible, given the angle between the minuteman and the chevron? Otherwise you may need to cut to get this effect. Nah, they're both on....otherwise I could have at least had ONE side right. After all, as Red Green would point out, nobody's ever going to see both sides at the same time...unless you're in a REALLY bad accident.... <_< Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Andrew, Where did you buy the Wolfpak decals, I tried Lucky and Sprue Bros. and they did not stock them. If I could easily get a replacement I would change it. This aircraft means something to you, it deserves your best efffort ! I grew up, and still live, just 25 miles north of the border close to Burlington, by the time I went to airshows, the F-102s were long gone... They have an airshow this year over Lake Champlain, hope we get a sneak peak at their future resident, F-35 ! I get them direct from Wolfpak, at Mill Creek Consultants: http://www.millcreekconsultants.com/WP72-14.html I haven't been back to New England in over thirty years, and I'm getting really nostalgic. Edited April 9, 2016 by Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 The decal might have been made from these profiles (8th & 10th down) : http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/799/3/5 Bingo! I think you're right. I think XtraDecal did exactly the same mistake, guessing their sheet.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Oh, @#$%.... Okay, go ahead and tell me; at least I have some replacements for THAT simple fix :lol:/> Never built a Convair Delta in my life, nor did I ever think I would.... You have it a bit too far forward. There are three same sized rectangular panels on the tail, and the turbine warning strips should be right under the centre of the most forward one. If you draw an imaginary line from the TWS across the tail, it should end right behind those two rods on the tail leading edge. You can just make out those three panels on this TF-102. Should be easy to fix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Thanks Pete! I'll get to work on that now.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 If that already bothers you, I suppose I shouldn't tell you about the turbine warning stripe, should I? :whistle:/> LOL.. tough audience around here! Maybe hit it with some decal setting solution? I had a similar problem and just kept soaking the decal until it finally came loose. I was extra gentle, just nudged it into place a bit at a time using a wet paint brush. I also used water with a small amount of white glue diluted in. Once it was in place, a bit more setting solution and when dry, I shot a coat of future over it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 LOL.. tough audience around here! Maybe hit it with some decal setting solution? I had a similar problem and just kept soaking the decal until it finally came loose. I was extra gentle, just nudged it into place a bit at a time using a wet paint brush. I also used water with a small amount of white glue diluted in. Once it was in place, a bit more setting solution and when dry, I shot a coat of future over it. Hey, I'm glad to know now rather than too late about the stripe! :D Not sure if I can move the decal; it's been sitting two days, and Solvaset was used on it....maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking it's beyond moving? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Hey, I'm glad to know now rather than too late about the stripe! :D/> Not sure if I can move the decal; it's been sitting two days, and Solvaset was used on it....maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking it's beyond moving? Unless you are ok with leaving it in place (it really doesn't look that noticeable), you've got nothing to lose. If you are pulling the decal and replacing, might as well try to move it first and save the cost of a 2nd set of decals. I use solvaset on all my decals and was still able to loosen that one I had an issue with. Your mileage might vary. Nice job on that Duece by the way (at least from what I can see of it), good choice of markings as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Kindest thanks! My dad can't wait to see the finished product. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Ya know what else bugs me? In comparing photos of Vermont ANG Deuces, I've noticed lots of variations on the positions of the word "VERMONT" on the tails (see photo in post #1) and the script "The Green Mountain Boys" on the wing tanks...but, nooooo, lucky me, the tail flash seems to be consistent all 'round!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AV O Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Have you noticed that on the photo you posted above, the word VERMONT sits at different place on each aircraft ? And on the profiles, the turbine strip is not at the good place either ? Here's another photo : http://www.escadrilles.org/avions/aeronefs-4/f-102/ And a thread : http://zone-five.net/showthread.php?t=21520 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Been on a nostalgic kick lately and have been building an F-102 of the Vermont ANG, the plane that was patrolling the skies above the town I was born in and that my dad used to photograph from time to time. So, I've realized I've got the gorgeous tail chevron with the ANG badge at slightly the wrong angle. Made the mistake of thinking the Minuteman in the badge should be standing straight up 90 degrees, but now, too late I study the bottom edge of the chevron and find it's noticeably pointed too far down at the front. So what would YOU do? (snip) I'm looking at the photo of the real jets with my iPhone so the image is pretty small, but it seems there is some variation between the tail markings. For sure "Vermont" is stenciled in a couple of different locations between the jets. I think the chevron on your model looks fine, and who is to say it doesn't exactly match one of the assigned F-102s that's not in your photo? Based on my experience working on ANG and active duty F-4s, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your model matched a real jet from that unit. There was plenty of variability in the markings of the jets I worked on. I say leave well enough alone, don't try to fix the chevrons! Scott W. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Have you noticed that on the photo you posted above, the word VERMONT sits at different place on each aircraft ? Yup, that's what I was saying. Why couldn't it be the fin flash?? Then at least I'd have a good argument.... And on the profiles, the turbine strip is not at the good place either ? Maybe that's what messed up my placement of those. But at least that's a much easier fix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) I'm looking at the photo of the real jets with my iPhone so the image is pretty small, but it seems there is some variation between the tail markings. For sure "Vermont" is stenciled in a couple of different locations between the jets. I think the chevron on your model looks fine, and who is to say it doesn't exactly match one of the assigned F-102s that's not in your photo? Based on my experience working on ANG and active duty F-4s, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your model matched a real jet from that unit. There was plenty of variability in the markings of the jets I worked on. I say leave well enough alone, don't try to fix the chevrons! Scott W. Well, I think the aspect that's driving me crazy is that the chevrons ALL seem to have their lower surface almost parallel with the ground, not angled. And, I hate to say, I think it looks a lot better.... Edited April 9, 2016 by Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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