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Some of us don't forget. Usually the Vets and historians and the families of those lost. The rest? The last two generations are largely concerned with themselves and what you can do for them. They subscribe to some philosophy to entitlement that exempts them from acknowledging, or even, remembering the sacrifices made, by so many, so they can enjoy the lifestyle they're currently pursuing. Ask them! Mention the Doolittle Raid, D-day, Iwo Jima, Coral Sea, the Bulge, Remagen, Hurtgen Forest, Chosin Resevoir, Pyonyang, Scorpion, Tet, Ia Drang, Grenada, 9-11, Desert Storm, Shield, etc. and they'll look at you like you have two heads. "Whaaaat???! How does this affect me?!! This is history and I've NEVER met a participant of ANY conflict who demands pedestalization. They just wish to be remembered. For their efforts and sacrifice. But this is America. Regrettably, we're selfish, and we forget, especially if it hasn't happened in the last 15 minutes.

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So we don't forget anything!!!!

796 – King Æthelred I of Northumbria is murdered in Corbridge by a group led by his ealdormen, Ealdred and Wada. The patrician Osbald is crowned, but abdicates within 27 days.

1025 – Bolesław Chrobry is crowned in Gniezno, becoming the first King of Poland.

1506 – The cornerstone of the current St. Peter's Basilica is laid.

1518 – Bona Sforza is crowned as queen consort of Poland.

1521 – Trial of Martin Luther begins its second day during the assembly of the Diet of Worms. He refuses to recant his teachings despite the risk of excommunication.

1689 – Bostonians rise up in rebellion against Sir Edmund Andros.

1738 – Real Academia de la Historia ("Royal Academy of History") is founded in Madrid.

1775 – American Revolution: The British advancement by sea begins; Paul Revere and other riders warn the countryside of the troop movements.

1797 – The Battle of Neuwied: French victory against the Austrians.

1807 – The Harwich ferry disaster occurred near the North Sea port of Harwich on the Essex coast (England) in which 60-90 people drowned during the capsizing of a small ferry boat.

1831 – The University of Alabama is founded.

1847 – American victory at the battle of Cerro Gordo opens the way for invasion of Mexico.

1857 – "The Spirits Book" by Allan Kardec is published, marking the birth of Spiritualism in France.

1864 – Battle of Dybbøl: A Prussian-Austrian army defeats Denmark and gains control of Schleswig. Denmark surrenders the province in the following peace settlement.

1880 – An F4 tornado strikes Marshfield, Missouri, killing 99 people and injuring 100.

1897 – The Greco-Turkish War is declared between Greece and the Ottoman Empire.

1899 – The St. Andrew's Ambulance Association is granted a Royal Charter by Queen Victoria.

1902 – The 7.5 Mw Guatemala earthquake shakes Guatemala with a maximum Mercalli intensity of VIII (Severe), killing between 800–2,000.

1906 – An earthquake and fire destroy much of San Francisco, California.

1909 – Joan of Arc is beatified in Rome.

1912 – The Cunard liner RMS Carpathia brings 705 survivors from the RMS Titanic to New York City.

1915 – French pilot Roland Garros is shot down and glides to a landing on the German side of the lines during World War I.

1923 – Yankee Stadium: "The House that Ruth Built" opens.

1924 – Simon & Schuster publishes the first crossword puzzle book.

1930 – BBC reported there was no news, then played out with piano music.

1936 – The first Champions Day is celebrated in Detroit, Michigan.

1942 – World War II: The Doolittle Raid on Japan. Tokyo, Yokohama, Kobe and Nagoya are bombed.

1942 – Pierre Laval becomes Prime Minister of Vichy France.

1943 – World War II: Operation Vengeance, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is killed when his aircraft is shot down by U.S. fighters over Bougainville Island.

1945 – Over 1,000 bombers attack the small island of Heligoland, Germany.

1946 – The International Court of Justice holds its inaugural meeting in The Hague, Netherlands.

1949 – The keel for the aircraft carrier USS United States is laid down at Newport News Drydock and Shipbuilding. However, construction is canceled five days later, resulting in the Revolt of the Admirals.

1954 – Gamal Abdel Nasser seizes power in Egypt.

1955 – Twenty-nine nations meet at Bandung, Indonesia, for the first Asian-African Conference.

1958 – A United States federal court rules that poet Ezra Pound be released from an insane asylum.

1961 – The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, a cornerstone of modern international relations, is adopted.

1961 – CONCP is founded in Casablanca as a united front of African movements opposing Portuguese colonial rule.

1974 – The Prime Minister of Pakistan Zulfikar Ali Bhutto inaugurates Lahore's dry port.

1980 – The Republic of Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) comes into being, with Canaan Banana as the country's first President. The Zimbabwean dollar replaces the Rhodesian dollar as the official currency.

1981 – The longest professional baseball game is begun in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. The game is suspended at 4:00 the next morning and finally completed on June 23.

1983 – A suicide bomber destroys the United States embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 63 people.

1988 – The United States launches Operation Praying Mantis against Iranian naval forces in the largest naval battle since World War II.

1992 – General Abdul Rashid Dostum revolts against President Mohammad Najibullah of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and allies with Ahmad Shah Massoud to capture Kabul.

1996 – In Lebanon, at least 106 civilians are killed when the Israel Defense Forces shell the United Nations compound at Quana where more than 800 civilians had taken refuge.

2007 – The Supreme Court of the United States upholds the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in a 5–4 decision.

2007 – A series of bombings, two of them being suicides, occur in Baghdad, killing 198 and injuring 251.

2013 – A suicide bombing in a Baghdad cafe kills 27 people and injures another 65.

2014 – Sixteen people are killed in an avalanche on Mount Everest.

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Some of us don't forget. Usually the Vets and historians and the families of those lost. The rest? The last two generations are largely concerned with themselves and what you can do for them. They subscribe to some philosophy to entitlement that exempts them from acknowledging, or even, remembering the sacrifices made, by so many, so they can enjoy the lifestyle they're currently pursuing. Ask them! Mention the Doolittle Raid, D-day, Iwo Jima, Coral Sea, the Bulge, Remagen, Hurtgen Forest, Chosin Resevoir, Pyonyang, Scorpion, Tet, Ia Drang, Grenada, 9-11, Desert Storm, Shield, etc. and they'll look at you like you have two heads. "Whaaaat???! How does this affect me?!! This is history and I've NEVER met a participant of ANY conflict who demands pedestalization. They just wish to be remembered. For their efforts and sacrifice. But this is America. Regrettably, we're selfish, and we forget, especially if it hasn't happened in the last 15 minutes.

afoxbat

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Well said sir!

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So we don't forget anything!!!!

796 – King Æthelred I of Northumbria is murdered in Corbridge by a group led by his ealdormen, Ealdred and Wada. The patrician Osbald is crowned, but abdicates within 27 days.

1025 – Bolesław Chrobry is crowned in Gniezno, becoming the first King of Poland.

1506 – The cornerstone of the current St. Peter's Basilica is laid.

1518 – Bona Sforza is crowned as queen consort of Poland.

1521 – Trial of Martin Luther begins its second day during the assembly of the Diet of Worms. He refuses to recant his teachings despite the risk of excommunication.

1689 – Bostonians rise up in rebellion against Sir Edmund Andros.

1738 – Real Academia de la Historia ("Royal Academy of History") is founded in Madrid.

1775 – American Revolution: The British advancement by sea begins; Paul Revere and other riders warn the countryside of the troop movements.

1797 – The Battle of Neuwied: French victory against the Austrians.

1807 – The Harwich ferry disaster occurred near the North Sea port of Harwich on the Essex coast (England) in which 60-90 people drowned during the capsizing of a small ferry boat.

1831 – The University of Alabama is founded.

1847 – American victory at the battle of Cerro Gordo opens the way for invasion of Mexico.

1857 – "The Spirits Book" by Allan Kardec is published, marking the birth of Spiritualism in France.

1864 – Battle of Dybbøl: A Prussian-Austrian army defeats Denmark and gains control of Schleswig. Denmark surrenders the province in the following peace settlement.

1880 – An F4 tornado strikes Marshfield, Missouri, killing 99 people and injuring 100.

1897 – The Greco-Turkish War is declared between Greece and the Ottoman Empire.

1899 – The St. Andrew's Ambulance Association is granted a Royal Charter by Queen Victoria.

1902 – The 7.5 Mw Guatemala earthquake shakes Guatemala with a maximum Mercalli intensity of VIII (Severe), killing between 800–2,000.

1906 – An earthquake and fire destroy much of San Francisco, California.

1909 – Joan of Arc is beatified in Rome.

1912 – The Cunard liner RMS Carpathia brings 705 survivors from the RMS Titanic to New York City.

1915 – French pilot Roland Garros is shot down and glides to a landing on the German side of the lines during World War I.

1923 – Yankee Stadium: "The House that Ruth Built" opens.

1924 – Simon & Schuster publishes the first crossword puzzle book.

1930 – BBC reported there was no news, then played out with piano music.

1936 – The first Champions Day is celebrated in Detroit, Michigan.

1942 – World War II: The Doolittle Raid on Japan. Tokyo, Yokohama, Kobe and Nagoya are bombed.

1942 – Pierre Laval becomes Prime Minister of Vichy France.

1943 – World War II: Operation Vengeance, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is killed when his aircraft is shot down by U.S. fighters over Bougainville Island.

1945 – Over 1,000 bombers attack the small island of Heligoland, Germany.

1946 – The International Court of Justice holds its inaugural meeting in The Hague, Netherlands.

1949 – The keel for the aircraft carrier USS United States is laid down at Newport News Drydock and Shipbuilding. However, construction is canceled five days later, resulting in the Revolt of the Admirals.

1954 – Gamal Abdel Nasser seizes power in Egypt.

1955 – Twenty-nine nations meet at Bandung, Indonesia, for the first Asian-African Conference.

1958 – A United States federal court rules that poet Ezra Pound be released from an insane asylum.

1961 – The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, a cornerstone of modern international relations, is adopted.

1961 – CONCP is founded in Casablanca as a united front of African movements opposing Portuguese colonial rule.

1974 – The Prime Minister of Pakistan Zulfikar Ali Bhutto inaugurates Lahore's dry port.

1980 – The Republic of Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) comes into being, with Canaan Banana as the country's first President. The Zimbabwean dollar replaces the Rhodesian dollar as the official currency.

1981 – The longest professional baseball game is begun in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. The game is suspended at 4:00 the next morning and finally completed on June 23.

1983 – A suicide bomber destroys the United States embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 63 people.

1988 – The United States launches Operation Praying Mantis against Iranian naval forces in the largest naval battle since World War II.

1992 – General Abdul Rashid Dostum revolts against President Mohammad Najibullah of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and allies with Ahmad Shah Massoud to capture Kabul.

1996 – In Lebanon, at least 106 civilians are killed when the Israel Defense Forces shell the United Nations compound at Quana where more than 800 civilians had taken refuge.

2007 – The Supreme Court of the United States upholds the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in a 5–4 decision.

2007 – A series of bombings, two of them being suicides, occur in Baghdad, killing 198 and injuring 251.

2013 – A suicide bombing in a Baghdad cafe kills 27 people and injures another 65.

2014 – Sixteen people are killed in an avalanche on Mount Everest.

Forgot Pearl Harbor 7 Dec 1941 ;)

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So we don't forget anything!!!!

796 – King Æthelred I of Northumbria is murdered in Corbridge by a group led by his ealdormen, Ealdred and Wada. The patrician Osbald is crowned, but abdicates within 27 days.

1025 – Bolesław Chrobry is crowned in Gniezno, becoming the first King of Poland.

1506 – The cornerstone of the current St. Peter's Basilica is laid.

1518 – Bona Sforza is crowned as queen consort of Poland.

1521 – Trial of Martin Luther begins its second day during the assembly of the Diet of Worms. He refuses to recant his teachings despite the risk of excommunication.

1689 – Bostonians rise up in rebellion against Sir Edmund Andros.

1738 – Real Academia de la Historia ("Royal Academy of History") is founded in Madrid.

1775 – American Revolution: The British advancement by sea begins; Paul Revere and other riders warn the countryside of the troop movements.

1797 – The Battle of Neuwied: French victory against the Austrians.

1807 – The Harwich ferry disaster occurred near the North Sea port of Harwich on the Essex coast (England) in which 60-90 people drowned during the capsizing of a small ferry boat.

1831 – The University of Alabama is founded.

1847 – American victory at the battle of Cerro Gordo opens the way for invasion of Mexico.

1857 – "The Spirits Book" by Allan Kardec is published, marking the birth of Spiritualism in France.

1864 – Battle of Dybbøl: A Prussian-Austrian army defeats Denmark and gains control of Schleswig. Denmark surrenders the province in the following peace settlement.

1880 – An F4 tornado strikes Marshfield, Missouri, killing 99 people and injuring 100.

1897 – The Greco-Turkish War is declared between Greece and the Ottoman Empire.

1899 – The St. Andrew's Ambulance Association is granted a Royal Charter by Queen Victoria.

1902 – The 7.5 Mw Guatemala earthquake shakes Guatemala with a maximum Mercalli intensity of VIII (Severe), killing between 800–2,000.

1906 – An earthquake and fire destroy much of San Francisco, California.

1909 – Joan of Arc is beatified in Rome.

1912 – The Cunard liner RMS Carpathia brings 705 survivors from the RMS Titanic to New York City.

1915 – French pilot Roland Garros is shot down and glides to a landing on the German side of the lines during World War I.

1923 – Yankee Stadium: "The House that Ruth Built" opens.

1924 – Simon & Schuster publishes the first crossword puzzle book.

1930 – BBC reported there was no news, then played out with piano music.

1936 – The first Champions Day is celebrated in Detroit, Michigan.

1942 – World War II: The Doolittle Raid on Japan. Tokyo, Yokohama, Kobe and Nagoya are bombed.

1942 – Pierre Laval becomes Prime Minister of Vichy France.

1943 – World War II: Operation Vengeance, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is killed when his aircraft is shot down by U.S. fighters over Bougainville Island.

1945 – Over 1,000 bombers attack the small island of Heligoland, Germany.

1946 – The International Court of Justice holds its inaugural meeting in The Hague, Netherlands.

1949 – The keel for the aircraft carrier USS United States is laid down at Newport News Drydock and Shipbuilding. However, construction is canceled five days later, resulting in the Revolt of the Admirals.

1954 – Gamal Abdel Nasser seizes power in Egypt.

1955 – Twenty-nine nations meet at Bandung, Indonesia, for the first Asian-African Conference.

1958 – A United States federal court rules that poet Ezra Pound be released from an insane asylum.

1961 – The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, a cornerstone of modern international relations, is adopted.

1961 – CONCP is founded in Casablanca as a united front of African movements opposing Portuguese colonial rule.

1974 – The Prime Minister of Pakistan Zulfikar Ali Bhutto inaugurates Lahore's dry port.

1980 – The Republic of Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) comes into being, with Canaan Banana as the country's first President. The Zimbabwean dollar replaces the Rhodesian dollar as the official currency.

1981 – The longest professional baseball game is begun in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. The game is suspended at 4:00 the next morning and finally completed on June 23.

1983 – A suicide bomber destroys the United States embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 63 people.

1988 – The United States launches Operation Praying Mantis against Iranian naval forces in the largest naval battle since World War II.

1992 – General Abdul Rashid Dostum revolts against President Mohammad Najibullah of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and allies with Ahmad Shah Massoud to capture Kabul.

1996 – In Lebanon, at least 106 civilians are killed when the Israel Defense Forces shell the United Nations compound at Quana where more than 800 civilians had taken refuge.

2007 – The Supreme Court of the United States upholds the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in a 5–4 decision.

2007 – A series of bombings, two of them being suicides, occur in Baghdad, killing 198 and injuring 251.

2013 – A suicide bombing in a Baghdad cafe kills 27 people and injures another 65.

2014 – Sixteen people are killed in an avalanche on Mount Everest.

:thumbsup: :P

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Some of us don't forget. Usually the Vets and historians and the families of those lost. The rest? The last two generations are largely concerned with themselves and what you can do for them. They subscribe to some philosophy to entitlement that exempts them from acknowledging, or even, remembering the sacrifices made, by so many, so they can enjoy the lifestyle they're currently pursuing. Ask them! Mention the Doolittle Raid, D-day, Iwo Jima, Coral Sea, the Bulge, Remagen, Hurtgen Forest, Chosin Resevoir, Pyonyang, Scorpion, Tet, Ia Drang, Grenada, 9-11, Desert Storm, Shield, etc. and they'll look at you like you have two heads. "Whaaaat???! How does this affect me?!! This is history and I've NEVER met a participant of ANY conflict who demands pedestalization. They just wish to be remembered. For their efforts and sacrifice. But this is America. Regrettably, we're selfish, and we forget, especially if it hasn't happened in the last 15 minutes.

afoxbat

Hey cut us (this 'last two generations') some slack, we do remember things (at least, some of us do). And if there is blame to be placed it's not *entirely* on these two generations, but also on the generation(s) that raised and taught (?) them/us. Short form, in part, you made us.

I had no idea today was the anniversary of the Doolittle raid, though I am aware of what it is. I'm aware of most of the events you list (no idea what Hurtgen Forest, Scorpion or Ia Drang refer to, and I'd definitely *not* include Grenada on that list, but that's just by the by).

Conversely though, does October 23 mean anything to you? The Arad Martyrdom? Beaver Dams? Oka? All just as important...

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Some of us don't forget. Usually the Vets and historians and the families of those lost. The rest? The last two generations are largely concerned with themselves and what you can do for them. They subscribe to some philosophy to entitlement that exempts them from acknowledging, or even, remembering the sacrifices made, by so many, so they can enjoy the lifestyle they're currently pursuing. Ask them! Mention the Doolittle Raid, D-day, Iwo Jima, Coral Sea, the Bulge, Remagen, Hurtgen Forest, Chosin Resevoir, Pyonyang, Scorpion, Tet, Ia Drang, Grenada, 9-11, Desert Storm, Shield, etc. and they'll look at you like you have two heads. "Whaaaat???! How does this affect me?!! This is history and I've NEVER met a participant of ANY conflict who demands pedestalization. They just wish to be remembered. For their efforts and sacrifice. But this is America. Regrettably, we're selfish, and we forget, especially if it hasn't happened in the last 15 minutes.

afoxbat

With all due respect, you sound like an angry geezer. Easy to forget all those twenty somethings who have made multiple deployments to Iraq / Afghanistan.

Read a great trilogy on the US Army in WW2, it quoted many folks in the early 40's who had similar comments about the kids who would go on to become "the greatest generation". Too self-centered, lazy, weak, no morals, etc.

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I just finished James Bradley's "Flyboys" for the second time last week. He gives a great account of the Doolittle Raid; the mission and the men. I remember seeing their display at the USAF Museum in 2013 of the upside-down silver goblets and the final bottle of cognac with the four right-side up cups.

What a story................

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I was all tax prep today and hadn't looked at any news except for the results of last night's bad weather on the north side of Houston where my brother lives.

Thanks for the reminder, Jennings. The bottle has been opened, correct?

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I just finished James Bradley's "Flyboys" for the second time last week. He gives a great account of the Doolittle Raid; the mission and the men. I remember seeing their display at the USAF Museum in 2013 of the upside-down silver goblets and the final bottle of cognac with the four right-side up cups.

What a story................

A beautiful display and a ballsy mission.

Vern

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I am a little late here but I remembered the Anniversary of the Doolittle Raiders. Out of curiosity has there ever been a Doolittle Raiders Group Build? I think it would be a great way to tell the Doolittle story here on ARC!

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Well, in defense of the youth if its not taught then they won't know about it. In my almost 20 years as an educator I have taught in many districts from coast-to-coast and in two countries, been on curriculum committees and focus groups many times over, attended numerous meetings/conferences/seminars etc hosted by State and local politicians and educational "experts" over the years and military history just isn't considered essential for most social studies curriculums (I can tell you what is a priority to them when it comes to social studies curriculum but its outside the scope of this thread and would in all likelihood lead to a political discussion which I have no intention of engaging in). I can't speak for all school districts obviously but certainly the ones I am/have been involved in learning about 911 has gone the way of the dodo so World War II, Korea, Vietnam, etc is barely touched if at all (World War I...forget it). Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown...most kids have never heard of them. So something like the Doolittle raid is as foreign to many as Waterloo. Sad...but there it is.

EDIT: I asked my middle school class once if anyone knew how the White House got its name...*crickets*. Then I asked a few friends my age if they knew...*crickets*. So when it comes to a lack of knowledge of history age or generation isn't necessarily the determining factor.

:cheers:

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True...and not a mention anywhere of what happened here in the U.S. on this date either.

People like to say they'll never forget...but they need to be reminded on occasion too.

RIP Baylee Almon

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EDIT: I asked my middle school class once if anyone knew how the White House got its name...*crickets*. Then I asked a few friends my age if they knew...*crickets*. So when it comes to a lack of knowledge of history age or generation isn't necessarily the determining factor.

:cheers:/>

This.

Also because I'm curious... aren't the baby boomers who's parents fought (just one generation removed) the ones who burned their draft cards free love, hippy types and are going to suck up social security long before I ever get a taste? Oh and are a massive voting demographic that basically calls the shots? Not that they are entitled or forgetful or anything

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This.

Also because I'm curious... aren't the baby boomers who's parents fought (just one generation removed) the ones who burned their draft cards free love, hippy types and are going to suck up social security long before I ever get a taste? Oh and are a massive voting demographic that basically calls the shots? Not that they are entitled or forgetful or anything

Like I said... you made us.

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Certain people have a fascination with the stories of the past....most don't.

Sadly there are forgotten battlefields all through history....from Roman legions in England to young men laid to rest and then forgotten in foreign lands. There are long neglected cemeteries in Afghanistan containing British soldiers from long ago. Battlefields from the War of 1812 are long forgotten. It is what we do....we only remember the stuff that we're somehow connected to.....that we are interested in.

The Doolittle Raid was a very big deal at the time.....the US got caught with it's pants down at Pearl Harbor and the months after that attack...the US was licking it's wounds and creating the necessary military machine to seek revenge.

The Doolittle Raid was a serious kick in the family jewels for the Japanese and boosted morale at home in the US and the Allies. The raid gave the Japanese a taste of the nightmare that was to befall them later in WW2.

I do like FDR's answer about where the planes were launched from. :thumbsup:

Sadly Tojo's descendant is a politician and she also denies all the things Japan did during WW2...especially the crimes committed by Tojo.

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