Dutch Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) I recently purchased a Revell (ex-Crown) 1/144 B-52H kit. I plan to build the B-52 bomber "Leper Colony" flown by Maj Kong's crew from the movie "Dr. Strangelove." The opening credits show the aerial refueling scene between a KC-135A & B-52G. However, the flying scenes depict a B-52H model flying over the frozen landscape. So I will build an early B-52H, hence the old Crown mold kit re-boxed by Revell. I would love to hang some AGM-28 Hound Dogs from the wings, but I will "stick to the script," so to speak. It's been awhile since I last saw the movie, is there a shot of any nose art? I will make up some sort of insignia for the fictitious 843rd Bomb Wing at Burpelson AFB. R/ Dutch Edited April 28, 2016 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Other than the opening credits, everything else in the film was shot with models. Do whatever you like. Edited April 28, 2016 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkJester Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Might be a cool idea to do the 52H and a 58 since it was used as the "Vindicator" bomber in "Fail-Safe". You could do your own nose art, since I don't recall ever seeing any. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Scaremonger Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 everything else in the film was shot with models. No wonder... :lol: Or did the wings of a BUFF ever bend like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 If you check th shadow of the aircraft as it overflies frozen tundra, you'll see they used a B-17 to film that background. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exhausted Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 No wonder... :lol:/> Or did the wings of a BUFF ever bend like that? Perhaps during Linebacker II!? Ahhhh, I remember my time at Burpleson AFB. We were staging attacks on Nacho Grande from there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 ...did the wings of a BUFF ever bend like that? Only when producing lift... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) hah, that is the funniest true answer I've seen, Jennings. I forget how much the B-52 guys would say it would flex,,,,,but it was some amazing amount. (to a Skyhawk guy, anyway,,,,,,if those wings flexed, someone was having a verrrrry bad day) didn't they also droop when on the ground? (I forgot) Edited April 28, 2016 by Rex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drifterdon Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 hah, that is the funniest true answer I've seen, Jennings. I forget how much the B-52 guys would say it would flex,,,,,but it was some amazing amount. (to a Skyhawk guy, anyway,,,,,,if those wings flexed, someone was having a verrrrry bad day) didn't they also droop when on the ground? (I forgot) They drooped so much that is why Boeing put outrigger wheels on the ends of the wings. Especially when the wing tanks were fueled up. It's cool to watch a take-off on Youtube and see the wings go from sagging down with outriggers touching the ground to curving upward as lift is being generated. According to faqs.org, "The wings were thick, with a chord (ratio of cross-sectional height to width) of 15% at the root, tapering to 8% in the outer wing. They could flex from 3 meters (10 feet) down to 6.7 meters (22 feet) up. The heavy engines helped dampen wing flutter." http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avb52_1.html Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 If you check th shadow of the aircraft as it overflies frozen tundra, you'll see they used a B-17 to film that background. I thought that looked like Green Bay. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikar Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 You might be able to see a little bit of the wing starting to flex up in this shot: They didn't always come back with both outrigger wheels on the ground: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I thought that looked like Green Bay. It was actually Greenland. And the B-17 that was used was "Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby" which is now on display at the NMUSAF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Those outriggers took out a lot of taxi lights! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Murph is obviously a Packers fan... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DET1460 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 It is my understanding that the wing tips, in flight, could flex as much as 15 feet from a neutral position, up or down. The fuselage was also flexible if you look closely at the wrinkled skin, especially looking down along the sides. Boeing made it that way. They knew how to make BIG aircraft! DET1460 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Murph is obviously a Packers fan... John Facenda fan actually. I grew up watching him do the local newscast in Philly, before he became the voice of NFL Films and think of him every time I hear the term "frozen tundra". Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Scaremonger Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 According to faqs.org, "The wings were thick, with a chord (ratio of cross-sectional height to width) of 15% at the root, tapering to 8% in the outer wing. They could flex from 3 meters (10 feet) down to 6.7 meters (22 feet) up. The heavy engines helped dampen wing flutter." http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avb52_1.html 22 feet up...!? Wow, I'd actually never seen a shot of a BUFF which had its wings bent up like that before. Of course I had seen them rolling on the taxiway with wings bent down. Interesting piece of info, Don. Many thanks! The fuselage was also flexible if you look closely at the wrinkled skin, especially looking down along the sides. Boeing made it that way. They knew how to make BIG aircraft! Yeah, lots of stressed skin on the sides of the fuselage. Knew of a modeller over on Z5 who replicated those wrinkles on the fuselage of the Monogram BUFF. Waiting for Sanger to release their 1/48 vac-form B-52 kit. May have to buy the flat downstairs where to display it once built in the meantime. :lol: Thanks, DET! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chek Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 :woot.gif:/>/> 22 feet up...!? Wow, I'd actually never seen a shot of a BUFF which had its wings bent up like that before. Of course I had seen them rolling on the taxiway with wings bent down. Interesting piece of info, Don. Many thanks! It's always better in engineering to flex and bend rather than break. Hence not only wings, but skyscrapers and bridges that sway in the wind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cubs2jets Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Kinda hard to see with all the test rig in the way... http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/B-52-Stratofortress-Wing-Static-Test-2F3XC5O7JH7.html C2j Edited April 30, 2016 by Cubs2jets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 The fuselage was also flexible if you look closely at the wrinkled skin, especially looking down along the sides. Actually the reason the fuselage skin wrinkles is because it's *not* flexible. Swept wings have to be flexible in order not to break. Fuselages are never made to be flexible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I took these two photos of a B-52 doing his party piece at RAF Fairford for an airshow.... crabbing down the runway. The main wheel trucks can pivot for cross-wind landings - so he starts off pointing one way, then 'crabs' the other way as he goes down the runway...... It was a neat display. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Hmm. I remember one Loftleider / Icelandair DC-8-63 flight across the Atlantic, sitting near the very back, where the cabin floor arced in flight down the length of the fuselage from front to rear. Definitely not rigid! I had an aisle seat and don't remember if I bothered seeing whether the wings flexed or not. Much like a large vessel will "hog" and "sag" between or suspended in wave troughs. R/ Dutch Edited May 10, 2016 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Not to say fuselages *don't* bend, but they're not designed to bend the same way a swept wing is designed to bend. The idea is that the fuselage is supposed to go the same direction as the rest of the airplane. Edited April 30, 2016 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 John Facenda fan actually. I grew up watching him do the local newscast in Philly, before he became the voice of NFL Films and think of him every time I hear the term "frozen tundra". Regards, Murph That guy had a distinctive voice, and I can hear him in my head saying that. Picturing ice-hard turf at Lambeau with the yard lines visible only because of snow blowers and Lombardy in his rather light coat and hat. Bet them glasses got COLD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Consider the B-52 mothership, when carrying the X-15, was lightly loaded (no bomb load, minimal fuel for the launch mission) and not pulling Gs, and the wing deflection was still quite evident... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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