Don Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Nice build Paul and good comments. Love the girlie figure sitting in the SAC sash on the nose too. I look forward to reading your full review. Regards and happy modeling all! Don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Nigel, I'm giving you a shoutout in my review! Thanks for spotting the ridiculously large wing tanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hooker169 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Paul Boyer said: That and photoetched spoilers and resin wing tanks and . . . . Paul , is it the diameter of the tanks that’s off or is it length which could be rectified by cutting out a section? As for antennas, I’ve approached MC about the antenna issue and even had another ARC member with detailed information offer his assistance. So far, no joy. The motivation on MC’s part to fix the issues may have run it’s course, at least until the D retooling begins. Edited March 28, 2019 by Hooker169 Can’t spel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The tanks are somewhere between 20% and 30% too large, length and diameter, and they seem bigger around in the front than in the back. I did rough measurements of long-shot photos, comparing the length of the tank compared with the length of the jet pod next to it, then measured the length of the kit engine pod (which look OK to me). I formed a simple ratio with that info and came up with (roughly) what the tank should be on the kit. Then dividing the length of the kit tank by what I think it should be came up with something around 25% too big. Since it is a rough estimation, I'm spreading the error a bit to say somewhere between 20% and 30%. No way to section, chop, thin the kit parts to get it to look right. I believe Nigel compared the AC parts with drawings and the AMT parts and deduced the AMT parts were correctly scaled. So now we wait to see if an aftermarket company can come up with a fix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DUNEDEVIL Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just a thought who has the DB resin molds I’ve got those tanks and they are very nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hooker169 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, DUNEDEVIL said: Just a thought who has the DB resin molds I’ve got those tanks and they are very nice Did Buff Master take over the DB molds or are his original? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DUNEDEVIL Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 After DB resin Buff master is a little rough and so I couldn’t say if his or a copy but DB is a company unto them selves and their pieces are just beautiful. unfortunately I don’t know who if anybody has those molds usually you’ll see something resembling DB stuff in a flight path advertisement but I don’t know if they have all that stuff just a thought I’d mention it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DUNEDEVIL Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I tried to send a pic but it to large so I’ll keep working on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, habu2 said: Based on what? Have you built both kits? Based on having the MC H...based on spending hour upon hour upon hour pouring over hundreds of photos, plans and every B-52 kit available, based on spending hours walking around real B-52’s photographing them and helping where possible with correction sets. Just looking at the MC parts is a joy compared to the junk in the AmT kit box where shall i start? The soft plastic, huge panel lines, a mismatch of timeframes with reinforcing panels missed, added in incorrect places, engines out of size requiring replacement, incorrectly located ejection panels, vents missing, a wing with its well known issues, evs poorly shaped and placed, nose shape wing profile...thats a start. Having spent a huge amount of time researching B-52’s i will take the MC kit any day over the AMT kit...anyday...you can already buy antenna sets to add the farms needed for you timeframe as B-52 antennas have changed that many times you need to pick your timeframe. As a starting point it is far better launching point end of story than the AMT kit.. Edited March 29, 2019 by dehowie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quixote74 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Paul Boyer said: The tanks are somewhere between 20% and 30% too large, length and diameter, and they seem bigger around in the front than in the back. I did rough measurements of long-shot photos, comparing the length of the tank compared with the length of the jet pod next to it, then measured the length of the kit engine pod (which look OK to me). I formed a simple ratio with that info and came up with (roughly) what the tank should be on the kit. Then dividing the length of the kit tank by what I think it should be came up with something around 25% too big. Since it is a rough estimation, I'm spreading the error a bit to say somewhere between 20% and 30%. No way to section, chop, thin the kit parts to get it to look right. I believe Nigel compared the AC parts with drawings and the AMT parts and deduced the AMT parts were correctly scaled. So now we wait to see if an aftermarket company can come up with a fix. Paul - Your build looks great and I'm sure I'm one of many eager to see the full review and detailed article. Concerning the wing tanks, have you compared the AMT tank size to photos? I don't have the MC kit(s) yet but I checked the AMT version against a set from DB Resin (last available from Airwaves) and the AMT tanks are significantly smaller. None of my references have dimensions or accurate line drawings of the wing tanks so I can't verify which is correct, but I'm inclined to trust DB's work over AMT based on accuracy of various other components. Comparison shot of the DB and AMT parts, along with the large tank used on the A-F variants from the Monogram 😧 Note: parts are aligned with the mounting pylon leading edges. DB tank is molded solid vs the others in halves, thus some slight distortion but you get the idea. Edited March 29, 2019 by Quixote74 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quixote74 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Hooker169 said: Did Buff Master take over the DB molds or are his original? The DB molds seem to have been primarily split between Flightpath/David J.Parkins and Airwaves (distributed through Hannants). I believe most, if not all, of the B-52 sets went to Airwaves, but don't have any info on current status (it's been quite a few years since I've seen any of tnese advertised, and I'm not sure they ever re-released the full G or H conversion sets). The provenance of BuffMaster's work seems to be mixed. Several of the products (HSABs being an example) are original, or at least from a master that was never released by any other companies. There are parts of some sets (engines, "lumps & bumps") that may be reworked from kit parts or other sources, but none originated from DB's products as far as I can tell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hooker169 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 27 minutes ago, Quixote74 said: Paul - Your build looks great and I'm sure I'm one of many eager to see the full review and detailed article. Concerning the wing tanks, have you compared the AMT tank size to photos? I don't have the MC kit(s) yet but I checked the AMT version against a set from DB Resin (last available from Airwaves) and the AMT tanks are significantly smaller. None of my references have dimensions or accurate line drawings of the wing tanks so I can't verify which is correct, but I'm inclined to trust DB's work over AMT based on accuracy of various other components. Comparison shot of the DB and AMT parts, along with the large tank used on the A-F variants from the Monogram 😧 Note: parts are aligned with the mounting pylon leading edges. DB tank is molded solid vs the others in halves, thus some slight distortion but you get the idea. Great info @Quixote74! Now we need a MC tank added to that pic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pminer Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 10 hours ago, dehowie said: Based on having the MC H...based on spending hour upon hour upon hour pouring over hundreds of photos, plans and every B-52 kit available, based on spending hours walking around real B-52’s photographing them and helping where possible with correction sets. Just looking at the MC parts is a joy compared to the junk in the AmT kit box where shall i start? The soft plastic, huge panel lines, a mismatch of timeframes with reinforcing panels missed, added in incorrect places, engines out of size requiring replacement, incorrectly located ejection panels, vents missing, a wing with its well known issues, evs poorly shaped and placed, nose shape wing profile...thats a start. Having spent a huge amount of time researching B-52’s i will take the MC kit any day over the AMT kit...anyday...you can already buy antenna sets to add the farms needed for you timeframe as B-52 antennas have changed that many times you need to pick your timeframe. As a starting point it is far better launching point end of story than the AMT kit.. Holy cow dehowie….seems like you know your stuff well! Thanks for that. I've been a BUFF addict for eons.....worked on them in the USAF. But seeing the issues with these kits...I'm thinking it's really hard for manufacturers to get a BUFF just right. Knowing the secretive nature of the USAF...that doesn't surprise me. MC has been great to us. This is the main reason I will always buy their stuff. Yes...I wish all things were perfect...but we don't live in a perfect world. Hell...I'm happy with the AMT offering...even though it is a serious modeling PITA!!! Once you build it and make it look as right as possible...it looks great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DUNEDEVIL Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Kind of Quite lately anyone heard anything more about the upgrade sets? I keep looking at the MC site and mine haven’t shipped yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hooker169 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, DUNEDEVIL said: Kind of Quite lately anyone heard anything more about the upgrade sets? I keep looking at the MC site and mine haven’t shipped yet Last I checked MC were to start shipping the sets last weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P-38 guy Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Anyone get their update set yet? Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robert key Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 NO, order mine in November! Wish MC would let us know if they have actually started shipping them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Dutch Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) On 3/29/2019 at 12:13 AM, Quixote74 said: The DB molds seem to have been primarily split between Flightpath/David J.Parkins and Airwaves (distributed through Hannants). I believe most, if not all, of the B-52 sets went to Airwaves, but don't have any info on current status (it's been quite a few years since I've seen any of tnese advertised, and I'm not sure they ever re-released the full G or H conversion sets). The provenance of BuffMaster's work seems to be mixed. Several of the products (HSABs being an example) are original, or at least from a master that was never released by any other companies. There are parts of some sets (engines, "lumps & bumps") that may be reworked from kit parts or other sources, but none originated from DB's products as far as I can tell. @Quixote74 Great wingtip tank comparison. Do you have an original release Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E outboard wing tank for comparison as well? I have a few of those in spares box, so am curious to see if they will work as possible replacements. I will try to dig some up this weekend and pull out my AMT & ModelCollect tanks and place them on a mat as you have done. R/ Dutch Edited April 19, 2019 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quixote74 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 5:25 AM, Dutch said: @Quixote74 Great wingtip tank comparison. Do you have an original release Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E outboard wing tank for comparison as well? I have a few of those in spares box, so am curious to see if they will work as possible replacements. I will try to dig some up this weekend and pull out my AMT & ModelCollect tanks and place them on a mat as you have done. R/ Dutch Dutch - I do have the "old tool" Hasegawa Phantom, but would have to do some stash excavation for a photographic comparison. I can tell you that although the shapes are in the same general ballpark, the BUFF tanks are significantly larger in all dimensions (even the AMT tanks, which per above I suspect are underscale). If the DB tanks are correctly sized, you might get a close starting point from a *1/48* Phantom wing tank (1.5x the dimensions of the 1/72 version). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, Quixote74 said: Dutch - I do have the "old tool" Hasegawa Phantom, but would have to do some stash excavation for a photographic comparison. I can tell you that although the shapes are in the same general ballpark, the BUFF tanks are significantly larger in all dimensions (even the AMT tanks, which per above I suspect are underscale). If the DB tanks are correctly sized, you might get a close starting point from a *1/48* Phantom wing tank (1.5x the dimensions of the 1/72 version). Don, I will dig out both a 1/72 & 1/48 F-4 tank for the photo comparison. Give me a few hours, and I will try to have a photo posted soon. R/ Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) Okay, I took a series of photos of both AMT/ERTL 1/72 B-52G wing tanks and ModelCollect 1/72 B-52G wing tanks with various other tanks in different scales for comparison. 001. From bottom to top: Modelcollect tank with Monogram 1/48 F-4C 380 gal wing tank superimposed; MC tank; Monogram 1/48 SUU-23 gun pod; Hasegawa 1/72 F-4E 380 gal wing tank. The MC tank looks a little bulbous. The Hasegawa tank is obviously too small in diameter and length. The Monogram 380 gal wing tank looks to be too large in diameter and length, but the SUU-23 looks to be about the right size. Edited April 20, 2019 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 002. AMT/ERTL tanks on top, MC tanks on bottom. The rear tank taper of the AMT tank / pylon looks to be more accurate than the MC tank taper. Edited April 29, 2019 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 003. AMT tank with Monogram 1/48 SUU-23 gun pod. Gun pod looks to be about the correct diameter and just long enough to be close to the DB tanks. Edited April 20, 2019 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 004. AMT tank with Monogram 1/48 F-4C 380 gal wing tank. Safe to say, Monogram F-4 wing tank is too large. Edited April 29, 2019 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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